X-Message-Number: 0008 Subject: Quantum Tunnelling and Reaction Rate in Cryonic Suspension Subject: Re: why cryonics might work Newsgroups: sci.nanotech Summary: quantum tunneling does not threaten cryonics References: <> In article <>, writes: > ... And, of course, at liquid nitrogen > temperature, further change is effectively stopped. I have received (by private correspondence) a suggestion that cryonic suspension will fail to preserve a person for long because reactions will still proceed via quantum tunneling. This suggestion was based on a Feb. 1986 Scientific American article by V.I. Goldanskii that concluded exactly that. Since some of the other sci.nanotech readers may have been misled by Goldanskii's article, I have appended below a copy (minus the pictures) of the Cryonics magazine article rebutting Goldanskii's conclusion. (I asked the people at ALCOR if it was OK to submit their article to sci.nanotech and received no objection.) - Kevin Q. Brown ...ihnp4!ho4cad!kqb PS: The Arrhenius equation (mentioned in the article below) gives the rate constant k of a reaction: k = A e^(-E/RT) where A and E are constants for the particular reaction being studied, R is the ideal gas constant, and T is the absolute temperature. < Standard Disclaimer > --------- Sloppy Science, Continued, Or: Does Quantum Mechanics Threaten Cryonics? by ALCOR Staff Cryonics, March 1986 7(3), pp. 29 - 32. ALCOR Life Extension Foundation, 12327 Doherty St., Riverside, CA 92503 (800) 367-2228, (714) 736-1703 The February, 1986 issue of SCIENTIFIC AMERICAN contains an article by Soviet scientist Vitalii I. Goldanskii, which concludes with the following provocative statement: "The fact that tunneling allows chemical reactions to occur at extremely low temperatures adds yet another reason for doubting the possibility of reviving complex organisms that have been frozen a long time." The basis for this obvious reference to cryonics (not cryobiology: cryobiologists don't freeze complex organisms for a long time, and the simple organisms, cells, etc., they do freeze for long times seem to do just fine) is the existence of what Goldanskii calls the "quantum low temperature limit" on thermal suppression of chemical reaction rates. A few words of explanation of this concept are in order. Cryonics is predicated on the premise that low temperatures suppress both chemical and physical reactions virtually completely, which is the reason indefinite biological preservation is possible. This notion is well supported by both experimental work in cryobiology and by the Arrhenius equation, which reliably predicts vast reductions in chemical reaction rates with reductions in temperature (see Hixon, CRYONICS, 6(1), 19-25, Jan, 1985)). In fact, the predictions of the Arrhenius equation are undoubtably conservative because this equation assumes no changes in the ability of molecules to diffuse together so as to make reactions possible. At temperatures below the glass transition temperature (-130 C or thereabouts), however, diffusion is for all practical purposes abolished, as all the reactive molecules are frozen in place. The reason low temperature suppresses physical and chemical events is because these events require a certain amount of energy, called the activation energy, in order to proceed. At cryogenic temperatures, thermal energy is so much less than the activation energy that thermal motions cannot be converted into chemical or physical events. But quantum mechanics, as usual, makes life more complicated than this. According to quantum mechanics, atoms and electrons are not just particles but are also waves, and their positions are not precisely defined. Because of this uncertainty in position, there is a finite chance that an electron or atom will suddenly appear in a location it does not have the energy to reach. According to Goldanskii, this effect, in which an atom or electron "tunnels" through an energy barrier rather than passing over it in the usual way, could allow chemical reactions of relevance to cryonics to occur at liquid nitrogen temperatures or even below and might seriously limit the amount of time someone could be stored pending development of revival technology. In fact, Goldanskii presents several examples in which chemical reaction rates continue unabated as the temperature is lowered from as high as 120K (-153C) down to 4.2K (-269C). In one example involving the polymerization of formaldehyde, the reaction rate at 4.2K was 110 orders of magnitude higher than the reaction rate predicted by the Arrhenius equation! Both cryobiologists and cryonicists have long been aware of the time limits imposed by the free radical reactions caused by cosmic rays, normal background radiation, etc. It is known that these reactions can occur, at least to a point, even at very low temperatures. But it is also known that irradiation is less damaging to frozen living systems than to living ones, even though no repair can occur in the frozen state. On the basis of available information, estimates anywhere from 300 to 30,000 years have been proposed for the storage limit imposed by injury from this source. In reality, since this type of damage ought to be easily repairable by a mature nanotechnology, it is actually likely that the real time limit in the light of such technology is longer than these conservative guesses which place no burden on future repair. Since it is hard to imagine repair technology not being available 1,000 years from now (the probable minimum available storage time), cryonicists have justifiably felt that this particular limit is irrelevant. Does quantum tunneling represent an additional, previously unrecognized source of damage at liquid nitrogen temperature which seriously shortens the time available for revival techniques to be developed? Judging from the data in Goldanskii's article, at least, the answer is an emphatic no! Goldanskii's suggestion, at least based on the experimental evidence known to him as reported in his article in SCIENTIFIC AMERICAN, is instead just one more example of sloppy science, or at least sloppy science writing similar to others we have considered before in these pages (see CRYONICS, 6(1), 7-11 (Jan. 1985)). Consider the following problems. In the first place, every single one of the examples mentioned by Goldanskii appear to be free radical mediated reactions which can only be initiated by such means as bombarding the specimens with electron beams or gamma rays. Whether you call the resulting reactions tunneling or not, they have already been assessed by biologists as described above and found to be essentially irrelevant. Goldanskii's examples offer no evidence that biologically relevant, non-free radical mediated chemistry is known at cryogenic temperatures. Indeed, biological melecules are rather inert compared to the types of reagents studied by Goldanskii and other workers in this field, such as sodium hydroxide solutions and chlorine gas, and far less likely to react at any temperature. In the second place, the reactions observed appear to have been obtained using pure substances as reactants. For example, the polymerization of formaldehyde was achieved by irradiating pure formaldehyde. But this sort of experiment really says essentially nothing about what might happen to frozen patients for several reasons. For one thing, if nothing is present but formaldehyde, it is not necessary for diffusion to occur in order for a molecule to be added to the chain, since formaldehyde is always available near the required site by default. In contrast, the inability of most molecules of interest in a frozen patient to diffuse to participate in chemical reactions of any kind will greatly limit the range of possible events, even given tunneling. In addition, these molecules will be surrounded by vast excesses of water and cryoprotectant molecules which will not only shield them from each other but which will also make tunneling across these barriers virtually impossible. Goldanskii in fact admits that molecular separation drastically reduces the potential for tunneling reactions, but he fails to take this into account in predicting the fate of frozen biological systems. The final reason using pure substances as reactants is misleading is that the probability of even free radical reactions depends on the concentration of potential targets. If there is nothing in the sample for a gamma ray to hit but formaldehyde, it will hit formaldehyde. But if the sample consists of 80% water and cryoprotectant, most hits will be irrelevant. Most biological molecules are present in very low concentrations as opposed to the 100% concentrations studied by Goldanskii. The third reason Goldanskii's proposal doesn't wash is that the temperatures at which Goldanskii observed tunneling are so low as to make the reaction rates produced by tunneling negligible. For example, the tunneling phenomenon in the formaldehyde polymerization reaction began to be appreciable only at temperatures below roughly -173C, behaving as predicted by the Arrhenius equation down to that temperature. The tunneling reaction declined with temperature down to about 10K (-263C), at which temperature it was equivalent to the rate which would have been predicted by the Arrhenius equation at about 50K (-223C). Big deal! If we've been willing to accept injury on the basis of Arrhenius behavior at -196C, any tunneling effects of the kind postulated by Goldanskii, even if they did occur, would not be of concern to us based on numbers like these. In general, the reaction rate minimums attributed to quantum tunneling occur at 50K or below, and probably correspond to Arrhenius behavior at -150C or so, ie. to reaction rates which need not concern us. Although it is too bad it has been necessary to spend time rebutting Goldanskii's comment, perhaps a quote from Goldanskii's own article can be taken to heart: "The eternity is ours, so why not spend a couple of hours." < END OF ARTICLE > Rate This Message: http://www.cryonet.org/cgi-bin/rate.cgi?msg=0008