X-Message-Number: 0031 Subject: Message numbers and subjects in Cold Room thread # LINES/CHARS DATE AUTHOR / SUBJECT 1993 - ----------------- ---------------- 1773 16/958 Feb 19 K.Q.Brown / Storage Near -136 C 1773.1 96/4641 Feb 19 R.Ettinger / Proposal for Storage Near -136 C 1775 63/3447 Feb 20 B.Wowk / suspension technology 1776 63/2578 Feb 20 C.Platt / Ettinger storage plan 1779 16/818 Feb 20 R.Schroeppel / Puzzlement about Ettinger -136C proposal 1780 154/9545 Feb 20 M.Darwin / Regarding Research 1782 12/709 Feb 21 M.Riskin / Re : Suspension temperatures 1787 115/5410 Feb 21 M.Darwin / Letter to Ettinger re -136 C Proposal 1790 40/2244 Feb 22 B.Wowk / -130'C Storage 1791 88/5338 Feb 22 M.Darwin / Re: Remarks on Ettinger's Proposal 1796 78/4649 Feb 22 M.Darwin / Use of Liquid Nitrogen 1797 26/1377 Feb 22 T.Donaldson / Re: Regarding Research 1799 71/3840 Feb 23 S.Harris / 'High' Temp Storage 1804 26/1288 Feb 23 B.Wowk / temp rise 1805 70/3783 Feb 23 P.Metzger / Boiling and condensing 1806 64/3512 Feb 23 M.Darwin / Cryonics Education 1810 61/2948 Feb 24 J.Gregor / in a very cold room... 1814 81/4186 Feb 24 S.Bridge / Darwin LN2 Proposal 1818 47/2004 Feb 24 T.Appelqvist / Re: Use of Liquid Nitrogen 1821 64/2819 Feb 26 S.Harris / Mike Gets Cold Shoulder? 1844.1 70/535 Feb 28 R.Ettinger / Further Thoughts on -136 C Storage 1844 14/643 Feb 28 K.Q.Brown / Storage at -136 C 1845 16/784 Feb 28 M.Voelker / Adventures in Dewarland 1855 19/797 Mar 1 S.Hinckley / Re: Oxygen environ 1868 111/6164 Mar 2 M.Darwin / Entry Into -135*C Environment 1874 86/4017 Mar 3 S.Harris / Apollo Fire & 100% O2 1882 9/305 Mar 4 G.Smyth / Dipping in Dewars 1889 21/966 Mar 4 S.Jackson / Dewar Diving 1893 73/3539 Mar 4 T.Freeman / Maintaining constant temperature 1899 77/4401 Mar 5 B.Wowk / Cold Storage 1901 58/2777 Mar 5 J.Soreff / re: Message: #1893 - Maintaining constant temperature 1904 72/3976 Mar 6 M.Darwin / Ice Man Stichk 1906 129/5574 Mar 6 K.Q.Brown / Replies From Ettinger 1909 207/12363 Mar 7 M.Darwin / The Ever Rising Curve of Expectations 1911 14/640 Mar 7 M.Minsky / Re: Draining Blood and Clinical Death 1913 36/1628 Mar 8 B.Wowk / Oxygen Utilization 1914 56/3033 Mar 8 B.Wowk / Reply to Ettinger 1915 47/2396 Mar 8 D.Edmundson / Re: Ever rising curve of expectations 1916 73/4149 Mar 8 T.Donaldson / Re: Ever rising curve of expectations 1925 25/1253 Mar 10 R.Schroeppel / High Temperature Storage 1926 116/5317 Mar 10 M.Darwin / Letter to Ettinger 1927 9/360 Mar 10 M.Darwin / Query to Henson Re -130*C Cooling 1928 65/3113 Mar 10 P.Wakfer/S.Bridge / Re: The Ever Rising Curve ... 1929 122/6979 Mar 10 M.Darwin / Re: Ever Rising Curve ... 1937 30/1514 Mar 11 B.Wowk / Cold Storage 1938 80/4078 Mar 11 B.Wowk / Cold Calculations 1940 32/1525 Mar 11 R.Merkle / Glass Transition Temperature Storage 1943 48/1727 Mar 12 C.Platt / Room Insulation 1946 37/1691 Mar 12 M.Minsky / Re: Storage Near -136 C (1/1) 1947 18/733 Mar 12 G.Bloom / Radiation 1948 17/648 Mar 12 G.Bloom / LN2 conservation 1951 65/2924 Mar 13 B.Wowk / Cold Storage 1952 27/1140 Mar 13 B.Wowk / Cold Nitrogen 1953 164/8803 Mar 13 T.Freeman / Re: Radiation 1954 55/2567 Mar 13 R.Merkle / Re: Radiation 1955 12/438 Mar 13 M.Minsky / Cryo-cracks 1957 56/3047 Mar 14 M.Price / TG and all that 1961 48/2529 Mar 15 B.Wowk / TG and all that 1963 42/2297 Mar 15 T.Donaldson / Re: Glass Transition Temperature Storage 1964 71/3754 Mar 15 D.Edmundson / Dewar Construction // Sci.Cryonics posts 1965 47/2245 Mar 15 T.Donaldson / cracking / radiation / LN2 1966 30/1512 Mar 15 T.Donaldson / cracking 1967 28/1158 Mar 15 R.Merkle / Re: Cold Storage 1970 46/2540 Mar 16 B.Wowk / Dewar Construction 1972 42/2443 Mar 16 P.Wakfer / Mike Darwin's Academic Limitations 1973 52/2752 Mar 16 M.Darwin / Re: Bridge's Comments 1974 158/9214 Mar 16 M.Darwin / Fracturing 1976 33/1581 Mar 17 P.Metzger / flashes of light 1979 97/4067 Mar 18 S.Harris / Cold Room Calculations 1980 32/1360 Mar 18 W.Dye / The Lurker Speaks 1982 29/1373 Mar 18 H.K.Henson / A way to freeze y'r ass 1983 82/4067 Mar 18 B.Wowk / Foam Thickness 1984 23/1062 Mar 18 B.Wowk / Blue Flashes 1985 29/1358 Mar 18 M.Kaminsky / Cold Storage 1986 44/2258 Mar 18 T.Freeman / High vacuum needed in dewars? 1988 119/6548 Mar 19 S.Harris / Thermodynamics heat transport 1989 53/2898 Mar 19 S.Harris / Thermodynamics II 1990 10/354 Mar 19 A.Davidson / Re: Blue Flashes 1991 25/1149 Mar 19 B.Wowk / Safety 1992 27/1365 Mar 19 B.Wowk / Thermal Conductivity 1993 64/3247 Mar 19 B.Wowk / Cold Storage 1994 44/2542 Mar 19 B.Wowk / A nifty idea 1995 23/1036 Mar 19 B.Wowk / K values 1998 174/8833 Mar 20 K.Q.Brown / Ettinger replies concerning -136 C storage 1999 75/4338 Mar 20 B.Wowk / No moving parts! 2000 60/2661 Mar 20 M.Darwin / Cold Room 2001 11/557 Mar 21 J.Clark / Blue Flashes 2002 121/5939 Mar 21 B.Wowk / Reply to Ettinger 2003 16/820 Mar 21 B.Wowk / Peltier Effect 2005 89/3989 Mar 22 B.Wowk / Reply to Ettinger II 2006 54/2490 Mar 22 R.Hesselbo / Huge Economy of Scale 2007 45/2219 Mar 22 R.Schroeppel / Alternative cooling: Solid-liquid phase transition 2010 132/6465 Mar 23 S.Harris / Nifty Idea Plus... 2011 103/4698 Mar 23 T.Freeman / cold room approximations; drawers 2012 21/884 Mar 23 B.Wowk / Economies of Scale 2013 98/5716 Mar 23 B.Wowk / Room Access 2014 48/1943 Mar 23 S.Harris / More on -135 C Room 2015 26/866 Mar 24 S.Bridge / Bridge out of town 2018 24/1275 Mar 24 B.Wowk / Economy! 2019 43/2191 Mar 24 P.Goetz / Re: Radiation 2020 23/869 Mar 24 J.Hagerman / Re: Room Access 2021 8/307 Mar 24 B.Cousert / LN2 production 2022 26/1365 Mar 25 K.Lofstrom / foam thickness 2023 32/1536 Mar 25 K.Lofstrom / foam insulation - fireproofing? 2024 54/2481 Mar 25 M.Kaminsky / Economy! 2025 25/1324 Mar 25 B.Wowk / Underground Vault 2026 35/1280 Mar 25 B.Wowk / Freeman Model 2027 21/771 Mar 25 B.Wowk / Wind Power? 2028 84/4967 Mar 25 B.Wowk / The Utimate Design 2030 56/3036 Mar 26 B.Wowk / Fog Problem 2031 83/4861 Mar 26 B.Wowk / More Peltier Effect 2032 14/640 Mar 26 S.Jackson / Hexagonal Cells for Cold Room? 2033 17/727 Mar 26 P.Goetz / Re: Radiation 2034 72/3447 Mar 26 B.Wowk / Unbelievable Economy 2035 29/1146 Mar 28 J.Hagerman / Re: Underground Vault 2039 54/2886 Mar 30 T.Donaldson / COMMENTS 2042 155/8484 Mar 31 K.Q.Brown/R.Ettinger / Ettinger Replies Re: Cryogenic Insulation 2043 15/650 Mar 31 T.Freeman / Thermocouple Cooling? 2044 16/594 Mar 31 M.Kaminsky / Peltier Effect? 2046 83/4552 Apr 1 S.Harris / Peltier Heaven 2049 59/3122 Apr 2 P.Metzger / patient storage 2051 63/3050 Apr 3 K.Q.Brown / Ettinger on Thermoelectric Cooling 2054 11/457 Apr 3 T.Freeman / Thermocouples 2055 45/2196 Apr 3 B.Wowk / Flooding Risk 2056 42/2151 Apr 3 B.Wowk / Reply to Ettinger 2057 72/3745 Apr 3 B.Wowk / Mechanical Freezers 2058 115/5717 Apr 3 B.Wowk / Ethyl Chloride 2061 23/1218 Apr 5 B.Wowk / Flooding Risk II 2062 117/6133 Apr 5 P.Metzger / mechanical refrigeration 2065 77/4721 Apr 6 C.Wells / Simple Freezer Costs 2067 74/4371 Apr 6 B.Wowk / New LN2 System 2068 17/647 Apr 6 B.Wowk / Thermal Ballast 2069 34/1817 Apr 6 B.Wowk / Thermoelectric Blues 2071 20/681 Apr 7 B.Wowk / Flooding Risk III 2072 125/6575 Apr 7 S.Harris / Cold Room Psychology 2073 13/730 Apr 7 R.Smart / Sexy Stainless 2074 65/3594 Apr 7 T.Donaldson / Re: Science Fiction + Freezer Costs 2075 18/875 Apr 7 S.Jackson / Re: New LN2 System 2076 23/1129 Apr 7 S.Harris / Last Thermopile Use.. 2077 74/3595 Apr 7 P.Metzger / Re: mechanical refrigeration 2079 182/8800 Apr 8 B.Wowk / Cold Reviews 2080 102/5692 Apr 8 B.Wowk / Mechanical Mania 2083 102/5481 Apr 9 S.Harris / Fancy Thermal Ballasts 2084 32/1428 Apr 9 S.Harris / From Bigfoot to Coldroom? 2085 148/7823 Apr 9 P.Metzger / Mechanical Mania 2086 77/4366 Apr 9 S.Harris / CF4 at -129 C. 2087 50/3112 Apr 9 R.Schroeppel / Tucson electricity 2088 17/928 Apr 9 M.Minsky / Re: Thermoelectric Blues 2089 251/12151 Apr 10 B.Wowk / Cold Progress 2090 15/787 Apr 10 B.Wowk / Hidden Cost 2091 41/2176 Apr 10 B.Wowk / Hybrid System 2092 11/349 Apr 10 P.Metzger / thinko 2095 31/1483 Apr 11 P.Metzger / Re: Hidden Cost 2099 46/2587 Apr 13 B.Wowk / Cooldown Capsules 2100 23/1073 Apr 13 B.Wowk / LN2 Patients 2103 10/507 Apr 14 M.Riskin / Re: Cooldown Capsules-B.Wowk 2105 188/11053 Apr 14 M.Darwin / Re Coldroom Discussion 2106 22/997 Apr 14 M.Darwin / Coldroom Storage 2107 77/3999 Apr 15 B.Wowk / Polycold Systems 2109 182/8677 Apr 15 B.Wowk / Reply to Mike Darwin 2113 94/5278 Apr 15 B.Wowk / Tons of Ballast 2114 58/2590 Apr 16 K.Q.Brown / Ettinger Reply Re: CI Cryostats 2118 26/950 Apr 17 S.Harris / Ethanol Mixes 2121 21/853 Apr 17 T.Freeman / Ice damage to cold room? 2122 66/3577 Apr 17 B.Wowk / Cost of LN2 2123 38/1723 Apr 18 B.Wowk / Submerged Ethanol 2124 116/7043 Apr 18 B.Wowk / Flexible and Efficient 2127 80/4303 Apr 19 S.Harris / Ballast Stuff... 2130 22/1052 Apr 19 S.Jackson / Re: Flexible and Efficient 2132 19/736 Apr 20 P.Metzger / balast 2134 33/1548 Apr 20 T.Freeman / Square buckets; ice sublimation; earthquakes 2135 117/5488 Apr 20 B.Wowk / Ballast Stacking 2137 129/6796 Apr 21 S.Harris / More Cold-Room Design 2138 33/1301 Apr 21 B.Wowk / Ballast Comments 2139 23/1193 Apr 21 B.Wowk / Worker Safety 2140 53/2834 Apr 21 S.Harris / Bifrost? Asgard? Valhalla? 2141 58/2847 Apr 21 S.Harris / Bifrost? Asgard? Valhalla? 2142 43/2359 Apr 22 B.Wowk / Frost Control 2143 36/1810 Apr 22 B.Wowk / Ballast Containers 2144 18/870 Apr 22 S.Jackson / Waste Heat 2145 16/782 Apr 23 B.Wowk / Concrete Vault 2146 126/6963 Apr 23 B.Wowk / Frost Freedom 2147 35/1622 Apr 23 B.Wowk / Waste Heat 2148 10/358 Apr 23 R.Schroeppel / Cold room packing question 2149 27/1132 Apr 23 T.Donaldson / Mobile Cold Room Modules? 2150 37/1782 Apr 24 B.Wowk / Patient Placement 2151 42/2061 Apr 24 B.Wowk / Portable Storage 2152 63/3616 Apr 25 M.Darwin / Mechanical Refrigeration 2153 30/1303 Apr 25 P.Metzger / Patient positioning 2154 12/532 Apr 25 M.Riskin / Questions For Brian Wowk 2155 16/818 Apr 25 C.Wells / Patient Position 2156 63/3318 Apr 26 B.Wowk / Reply to Mike Darwin 2160 46/2171 Apr 26 T.Freeman / Reliability 2164 68/2581 Apr 27 B.Wowk / Reply to Michael Riskin 2166 43/2143 Apr 27 B.Wowk / LN2 Backup 2167 29/1397 Apr 27 B.Wowk / Patient Storage 2171 41/2053 Apr 28 P.Metzger / patient orientation in storage 2172 11/573 Apr 28 S.Jackson / Five Gallon Containers 2175 26/1256 Apr 29 B.Wowk / Propanol Cost 2176 34/1775 Apr 29 B.Wowk / Ballast Containers 2177 45/2311 Apr 29 B.Wowk / Patient Placement 2182 44/2432 Apr 30 M.Darwin / cold room 2185 130/6394 May 1 K.Q.Brown / Ettinger Comments & CI Progress 2186 67/3102 May 1 P.Metzger / Re: Patient Placement 2187 47/2369 May 1 B.Wowk / Reply to Mike Darwin 2188 23/1179 May 1 M.Darwin / Patient Racking 2192 63/3036 May 1 W.Dye / Re: LN2 Backup 2194 99/5696 May 2 B.Wowk / Temperature Stability 2195 114/6229 May 2 M.Darwin / LOX Accumulation 2196 9/427 May 3 T.Freeman / LOX accumulation vs. no chemistry at LN2 temp? 2197 12/669 May 3 M.Darwin / Wowk Comments 2198 40/2190 May 3 Alcor / Measurement of contamination of LN2 2200 150/6250 May 3 B.Wowk / Cost Analysis 2201 29/1301 May 4 B.Wowk / Reaction Rate 2202 11/504 May 4 B.Wowk / LOX problem 2204 44/2776 May 5 M.Riskin / RE: B.Wowks Cost Analysis 2206 22/919 May 6 T.Donaldson / Want Smaller Cold Room 2210 126/6408 May 7 B.Wowk / Reply to Michael Riskin 2211 85/4025 May 7 B.Wowk / Smaller Coldroom 2215 59/3157 May 8 M.Riskin / More on ColdRoom Analysis 2218 15/518 May 8 T.Freeman / Replacing cold room foam? 2220 36/1517 May 9 C.Platt / Money to build cold room 2222 49/2343 May 9 B.Wowk / Foam Deterioration 2224 44/2780 May 10 M.Riskin / Coldroom Economics 2225 20/1048 May 10 M.Riskin / Summary Stuff 2227 73/4006 May 10 B.Wowk / Reply to Charles Platt 2229 14/835 May 10 M.Voelker / cold room 2232 49/3303 May 11 M.Riskin / More on the Coldroom Finances 2235 35/1447 May 11 C.Platt / Existing Dewars in the Cold Room 2236 20/778 May 11 B.Wowk / LN2 Perils 2241 26/1725 May 12 M.Voelker / Cold Room Problems 2243 53/2440 May 13 C.Mondragon / Cold Room Planning 2244 35/1665 May 13 B.Wowk / Dewar Hazard 2251 75/4215 May 15 B.Wowk / Dewar Insulation! 2253 79/5309 May 15 M.Voelker / dewars in cold room 2255 118/6267 May 16 B.Wowk / Reply to Mark Voelker 2256 134/8102 May 16 P.Wakfer / dewars in coldroom 2259 6/228 May 17 P.Wakfer / Cryomsg #2256 was from Mike Darwin 2404 62/3256 Sep 7 Brown/Ettinger / How Much Cracking Really? 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