X-Message-Number: 1011 Date: 17 Jul 92 06:30:44 EDT From: Bob Smart <> Subject: CRYONICS: sci.cryonics THIS MESSAGE IS NOT INTENDED FOR DISTRIBUTION TO SCI.CRYONICS The question has been raised as to whether CRYONET should be publicized on sci.cryonics. My opinion is that it should not be, or if it is, then another mailing list which is NOT publicly advertised should be created. I'm not saying that the existence of CRYONET should be a Deep, Dark Secret, never to be revealed to infidels...only that if we don't draw attention to it, especially in these early days of sci.cryonics, it gives us the option of using sci.cryonics as a filtering mechanism to weed out people who aren't really interested in anything but a pissing contest. People who take the time to contact a cryonics agency and read the printed literature will inevitably stumble onto CRYONET and learn how to join; people who don't bother to send for CRFT (or equivalent) probably won't have much to say that can't be said just as well on sci.cryonics. Meanwhile, the introductory and promotional functions that have hitherto been addressed by CRYONET can probably also be handled just as conveniently on sci.cryonics, which is open to everyone on Usenet. The signal/noise ratio on sci.cryonics is quite low, these days (and I freely acknowledge that I may be contributing to the "noise" part of it, more on that subject to follow). Some of that may improve after the initial excitement of a new newsgroup fades away, but since sci.cryonics is unmoderated, I rather like the idea that we have another, more private channel available to us. Some of the flailing and handwaving may also decrease when a FAQ list becomes available; the draft that has appeared on CRYONET looks like it will go a long way toward addressing the more tedious issues. As for the excessive noise level on sci.cryonics, do we have any consensus about how best to deal with invasions by detractors? How can we discourage endless repetitions of simpleminded, logically spongy attacks by the militantly uninformed, while still remaining hospitable to the genuinely curious? My attempts at intimidation-by-confrontational-snottiness haven't greatly dissuaded contributions from our latest upstart; reasonable, patient replies by other, more restrained parties don't seem to have satisfied him either. Is there anything to be done? Should we just ignore such people in the hope that they'll eventually get bored and leave? Or do you think this sort of problem will normally be rare enough that it doesn't really require any special policy or tactics, it'll mostly take care of itself? Basically, how can we avoid losing control of the agenda and usage of sci.cryonics? [ Bob, the existence of the cryonics mailing list certainly is no secret. The question both Tim Freeman and I were pondering was whether or not the use of the CRYOMSG archive retrieval mechanism should be promoted. I will have to say more about that later, though, and respond to your other concerns now. I hadn't anticipated such a vigorous response on sci.cryonics, but it is not necessarily such a bad thing. The messages have produced a good list of typical responses from uninformed people. That's FAQ food. If the same sci.med-cryonics-debate-style messages continue for another week, though, then I will be concerned because I think that the introductory issues and concerns have already been expressed and thus continuing the "Person On A Stick", etc. threads will be merely repetition. The FAQ is one of the most important keys to maintaining good S/N ratio on sci.cryonics, so I strongly encourage everyone to read it and work toward improving it. Once we have settled on a good FAQ that is ready for sci.cryonics, then we can use it not only for providing good introductory material for new readers, but also as a mechanism for encouraging more responsible posting. For example, if someone posts an obviously uninformed message, then instead of posting a refutation in sci.cryonics and helping start or perpetuate a flame war, we should simply refer the person to the FAQ. If the person still insists on posting messages without reading and understanding the FAQ, then several of us can email the FAQ directly to the person by private email and strongly suggest not posting again until reading it. Furthermore, since a flame-fest cannot occur without opposing parties, we should also send kindly-worded private email to the "pro-cryonics" people who have posted responses and suggest that they either ignore the person or use only private email for any further replies rather than posting replies to sci.cryonics. (That is my personal favorite, since I have little time to spend on people who insist on being both ignorant and obnoxious. Remember the slogan: SWSWSW - Some Will, Some Won't, So What. We are interested in those people who want to make cryonics work; people who have some psychological, social, or other type of problem with it are not good prospects for our efforts.) Probably other useful mechanisms could be used, too, but the most important task right now is to get that FAQ into shape. - KQB ] Rate This Message: http://www.cryonet.org/cgi-bin/rate.cgi?msg=1011