X-Message-Number: 10489 Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 23:26:50 -0600 From: Fred Chamberlain <> Subject: Cryonet Posting #10431 Date:=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 September 28, 1998 From:=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Fred Chamberlain <> Re:=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Cryonet Posting #10431 Charles Platt notes: >In the latest issue of the Alcor Phoenix, Alcor's president, >Fred Chamberlain, writes: "CryoCare Members, by most >reports, are convinced that without a very high level of >technology applied almost immediately after death, there >is no hope for the suspended patient." I wonder how Fred >came up with this. I'm the president of CryoCare, and I >don't know the opinions of our members without actually >asking them. And I seem to have missed the "most reports" >that Fred is referring to. In fact I request him to produce >even one, from CryoCare, stating or suggesting or even >hinting that anyone here believes that suboptimally treated >patients have "no hope." We may worry that they will have >a very low chance of resuscitation, but never, so far as I know, >has anyone placed that chance at zero--except in truly extreme >cases where someone has been dead for, say, a week or more >without any treatment at all, by which time autolysis has broken >down structure to an extreme degree. Perhaps a correction is >in order? In the meantime, I promise not to tell Fred what Alcor >members believe. Charles Platt is right that I shouldn't have generalized about CryoCare Members' attitudes from listening to a handful.=A0 A few CryoCare Members, including Charles, are openly vocal and highly negative about the limitations of current methods.=A0 This may even be reflected in the direction that 21st CM research is heading.=A0 On the other hand, this may not reflect what the majority of people in CryoCare think, and it was inappropriate for me to attribute these attitudes to that group as a whole, or to equate highly negative points of view with attitudes of total hopelessness.=A0 This correction will appear in the next Alcor Phoenix. Fred Chamberlain, President/CEO () Alcor Life Extension Foundation Non-profit cryonic suspension services since 1972. 7895 E. Acoma Dr., Suite 110, Scottsdale AZ 85260-6916 Phone (602) 922-9013=A0 (800) 367-2228=A0=A0 FAX (602) 922-9027 for general requests <http://www.alcor.org/>http://www.alcor.org Rate This Message: http://www.cryonet.org/cgi-bin/rate.cgi?msg=10489