X-Message-Number: 10627 Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 09:05:20 -0400 From: Thomas Donaldson <> Subject: CryoNet #10620 - #10625 Hi everyone! To Peter Merel: I've already described how nanotechnology won't equal a matter duplicator. As for the economic changes it will cause, I have this to say. First, I doubt very much that "nanotechnology", whatever it is, will suddenly burst on the world with all its capabilities ready for use. That idea stinks of religious ideas about the Millenium, actually. Over time we will be able to manipulate matter more and more powerfully, and this includes not only matter on very small scales but matter on very large scales, too (like moving planets about). But at any one given time, there are going to be limitations on what we can do. And as I said, even if there were not the issue would become that of what to make, not where to get the materials to make it. As for scarcity itself, I would say that we've already passed way beyond the level of "need", so that even complete control of matter at all scales (which will never actually come --- the operative words are "complete" and "all" here) just won't change our economics so much that we won't want more than we have. After all, you can exist quite well in a relatively small space eating monkey chow, with water to drink (monkey chow is a variety of animal food for monkeys, just like you normally buy dog chow). The cost of both the space, the water, and the monkey chow will be quite small. But you know, for some reason nobody seems satisfied with that. And if everyone is as wealthy as Bill Gates, then we'll still have things we want but find that they aren't easy to get ie. cost us money and time. Just think a bit: the day will come when Bill Gates new house will look like a primitive hovel. And Bill Gates will seem like an ignorant savage (I doubt that he's even trying for immortality). To Ralph Merkle: For a long time I myself have felt that "soul" is the appropriate word for what we really want to save of ourselves. And yes, it is a structure of our brain, not an object in itself like a piece of brick is an object in itself. But what you say makes me wonder if perhaps we all ought to adopt that term; it would certainly make it easier to explain our ideas to Christians and others. Best and long long life for all, Thomas Donaldson Rate This Message: http://www.cryonet.org/cgi-bin/rate.cgi?msg=10627