X-Message-Number: 10746 From: "Trygve B. Bauge" <> Subject: Survival by degree (or why cloning is worth pursuing.) Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 14:23:33 +0100 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0020_01BE0D7E.DD7008E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Survival by degree. Ideally one would like to survive 100%. Traditionally the only survival available has been through one's off spring: e.g. the survival of 50 percent of one's genes, (And a somewhat higher percentage for those with more off spring, though not in the same kid, unless there has been inbreading of course.) With cloning one's gene combination will survive close to 100 %. However as I understand it only genes found in the cell nuclei will be passed on and some genes from the embryo cell that was used will tag along as well. for a close but not identical genetic match. Maybe this can be corrrected by improving the cloning technique. Some people disregard cell sampling and cloning all together, and rather wants to bring along and repair their whole body. While I prefer to ask the question: How can we use a clone so to increase the degree to which we survive through the clone? It seems to me that many reactions like emotions etc. are common human traits that also will be passed on to a clone without any specific effort to do so. All parts of you that is decided by your genetic makeup, will still be there in the clone. Some part of your intelligence, musicality etc. Even your sense of being, as you experienced this as a young kid, might be experienced similarly in a clone. (A kind of common rebooting experience if you like.) We are also all children of our time, in the sense that a large part of our memory is made up of information that we share with others: e.g. language, school curriculum, newspapers, Tv programs and radio programs etc. Our common knowledge can easily be recreated in a clone using conventional education techniques. No need to wire the brain here. Even your most personal experiences and thoughts, your will system, your highest goals, your ethical system, your system of ventures, interests & tasks, might be recorded on video, in pictures or in writing, and be passed on to a clone by conventional teching techniques, or as a multimedia presentation, a kind of computer program that your clone can take over and expand upon. Think of it as adding a computer class called "Knowing your origin" to the weekly schedule from kindergarden and to the University level, or as a part of a life-long learning experience. What I am saying is that with conventional technology that exists here and now, one can achieve almost 100 percent continuation of one self . Whereby I recommend that those so inclined have cell samples taken, cultivated, centrifuged and frozen for future cloning. Of course you and your clone will be 2 different individuals. And you will still have the sorrow of dying. But from the clone's perspective it will be a total continuation of you. So how can one use such a "mental clone" to also take along one's own experience of being? Well if we study the brain we might eventually come up with a way to link two brains up to one another so that they both experience both bodies as one unit, so that the experience of being in you and your clone melts together as one experience of being. In which case your experience of being will extend to also include the clone, and once your older body dies, this will be no more traumatic than losing a limb to amputation. By mobile phone and modem one could be linked up mentally as one unit without being linked up physically. By all means pursue rejuvenation, routines for freezing live organisms in such a way that these survive freezing and thawing, and the use of nano technology to repaire any damage caused by death, after death or during the freezing cycle. However, in the mean time we can by use of existing technology, easily create clones that are a close to 100 percent continuation of ourselves. And isn't that what we want to achieve in the first place? Creating such mental clones, might even make all the other life-extending technologies fall easier to develop as well. Thus let me call upon you all to have cell samples taken, cultivated, frozen and cloned. Sincerely, Life-Extension Systems, Norwegian Icebathing Association & Action 88. For a VHS video presentation of my work, send $50 to Trygve B.Bauge c/o Aksjon 88, P.o.b.59 Hovseter,0705 Oslo,Norway Ph 47-2214-8078 E-mail: http://www.powertech.no/~trygveb/ [ AUTOMATICALLY SKIPPING HTML ENCODING! ] ------=_NextPart_000_0020_01BE0D7E.DD7008E0 Content-Type: text/html; Rate This Message: http://www.cryonet.org/cgi-bin/rate.cgi?msg=10746