X-Message-Number: 10815
From: "Thomas Nord" <>
Subject: Fading out on guncontrol. CO2 are more important.
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 04:31:29 +0100

Friends, and if there are others;

Are there non-Cryonicists jumping in here against guncontrol? I dont wish that
due to its millions potential.

Thomas D: I am very skeptic as the saint, here called Thomas the doubter. Dont
have the time to comment every WebPage. If driving wrong at night I may be in
trouble and danger as you wrote and I knew, thats quite a difference from over
here even though we have some bad areas with many immigrants, but gunfree and
not very dangerous.

Keith: "American firearm's history, law and culture. I will say again, when you

have finally read More Guns, Less....."; Who can avoid that with so much from US
on TV most of the time, also learned in school and at home as I study a lot
here, have a radiolink since years direct from NPR/PRI BBC and NDR (German),

almost puke hearing the name Monica Lewinsky that much, also watch court-TV from
US, the real thing, now mostly Judy's court to learn whats going on and be
prepared for. Seldom have time for fictionmovies if its not a good comedy.
American laws are a problem since there are no lawbook, as we have here and in
Germany as have 2 etc. I've the Swedish one at armslength and use it often. We
also have a bit of the US system where one has to find out in several sources
whats right.

I have asked 2 cryonicists in 2 Cryo.orgs. most of us know living in the same
area, one never had a gun and saw no reason to have one, the other had one most
of the time but dont use it. My brother living in my area is a marksman with
several guns and will use them for protection, are only worried of ledpoisoning
from the bullets particles/dust. I consider to get a rifle if I get nervous
again of some people. But as in US one must consider that only half of the
shootings are criminal, the rest are accidental or suicides.
US are indeed a special case as a meltingpot. Most gunviolence here are
immigrants killing each other, also shooting.

What sources are there to trust? The White house, UN, Senate, Congress? Before
Internet this year, I've been very aware of the gunissue many years from many
others sources, among them some Swedish ones. Over here we have governmental
open sources as get hell if they aren't neutral working for us.

Have gone through Lott, I do not have the time or desire to start any anti

Mustard Lott-ery, or find out whos right for the moment in detail,  just like to
compare it with over here and the rest of the world. Changing it may need
another social rule in US. Just over the border Canada has it and less guns.

"Using guns against a coercive government", is that Washington or right down all
the way?

After to many late nights and a headache as a result, I like to drop guncontrol
for the moment as timeconsumer slowly, and jump over to CO2, but not in here as
much. For the moment a far larger problem than guns since we cant stop
cardriving in the short run awaiting better engines. What can be done are stop

burning oil coal and propanegas for heating and electricity. Ban and control are
not good, better to be for a more gunfree world with nuclearpower till we get
the alternatives as are coming. And it is cryonicsrelated still for newcomers,
since we have to migrate if it goes bad with CO2 as its said with the
greenhouse-effect. That is a tuff case here and in Germany with fundamental
Greens who just like to get rid of nuclearpower no matter what, very hard to
turn around their mind of ancient days when we didnt know of the CO2danger.

Critical Commentary on a Paper by Lott and Mustard
http://www.health.su.oz.au/cgc/teret.htm
"The More Guns You Have, The Safer You Are"? For and against Lott
http://www.health.su.oz.au/cgc/lmintro.htm

Statistics can lie either way depending on its use, this doesn't seem related to
per capita, bad anyway with that in mind:
http://www.vpc.org/fact_sht/secondfs.htm
http://www.vpc.org/pgtopic.htm
California http://www.gunlaws.org/

http://www.insync.net/~tagvhou/poll.htm

Texans Against Gun Violence http://www.insync.net/~tagvhou/

Keep holding to guns or not and take care 4 Life as in latin Pro vivo.
Pretty good huh?
At 4 AM got to sleep.
Sincerely
Thomas Nord (not Norton, Thomas)

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