X-Message-Number: 10905
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 11:22:37 +0100
From: (John de Rivaz)
Subject: Re: Storage of cryopreserved people outside of the USA
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writes:
> Are anyone I dont know wishing to get Cryonicstorage outside US, for those
> all interested as consider US very far away?
> I know efforts have been made in Canada UK and Australia.
As far as the UK is concerned, there has been no serious attempt to set up a
facility for the storage of cryopreserved people. The UK has the second
largest population of people signed up for cryopreservation outside the USA
as far as I know, but there is still nowhere near enough to support a
storage facility. Also, bearing in mind the relatively low cost of signing
up with the Cryonics Institute <http://www.cryonics.org> via Albins, numbers
would have to increase to a figure greater than that for the whole world
with every cryonics provider at the moment for anyone to consider a UK
storage facility seriously.
Having said that, though, a time may come when people start wanting cryonics
in large numbers. That could be in a decade or so when serious changes
occur due to greater understanding of pharmacology as a result of the human
genome project and the appearance of PC based individual genome analysers in
physicians surgeries. Once a large number of active people over 100 years of
age appear it will be noticeable to the public that something is happening,
and they will not want to be left out of it because of a chance travel
accident or whatever, and significant numbers could start signing up for
cryopreservation. If this happens, then there will be storage facilities all
over the world.
--
Sincerely, * Longevity Report: http://www.longevb.demon.co.uk/lr.htm
John de Rivaz * Fractal Report: http://www.longevb.demon.co.uk/fr.htm
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because giving information does not decrease your information.
money by reason of good luck, either by inheritance or a win at the
lottery, you can sidestep most of this misery and go straight to the
paragraph started with a *.
The future, of course, will be different because the products of the LEF etc
will not cost as much money as they do today. (Indeed they may cost nithing
if there is no money) But someone without any influence at all is not going
to be able to follow the * paragraph for all eternity.
If money does not exist in the future little will be lost by trying to send
some there. The argument is the same as asking can people be sent to the
future by cryopreservation. Cryopreservation of people may not work. We all
know that. But that doesn't stop us from trying.
Similarly preservation of money may not work. But that should not stop us
from trying to engineer something similar to the paragraph marked ^ if we
are reanimated. Investment in technology will do it assuming the notion of
money does persist. If money persists and such an investment is not
successful we won't be reanimated to see the failure - the technology to do
it will never appear.
My own analysis suggests that a very rough figure of growth will be a factor
of ten every decade. So if the first revivals occur in 50 years, then every
dollar so invested will have become $(10^5)=$100,000. Inflation depends a
lot on the nature of government, ie the politico-legal axis. It could go so
high that technological growth stops, and we won't therefore get revived to
observe the fact. A figure of 5% reduces this investment result to a little
under $10,000 (1.05^50=11.47) - still a substantial growth. Aiming at a
target of a ten million dollars in terms of present day money ($1m in future
terms taking these assumptions) reanimation funds invested in technology
should be of the order of $100 per person. Now who can seriously suggest
that the loss to cryonics organisations' bequests from members of $100 is a
serious burden? Indeed members could provide a lot more than this and still
provide no such burden - my calculations are very rough and obviously
reality could vary enormously either way and still provide reanimations.
A question I would put up for speculation is if money ceases to exist, how
can a member of a society without money put himself in a location he wants
to be in, do what he wants to do and gather the people around him he wants
around him?
--
Sincerely, * Longevity Report: http://www.longevb.demon.co.uk/lr.htm
John de Rivaz * Fractal Report: http://www.longevb.demon.co.uk/fr.htm
**************** Homepage:http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/JohndeR
In the information age, sharing can increase world wealth enormously,
because giving information does not decrease your information.
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