X-Message-Number: 10949 From: Thomas Donaldson <> Subject: Re: CryoNet #10945 - #10948 Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 23:26:45 +1100 (EST) Hi everyone! About insurance policies and predeath suspensions: one basic tenet of cryonics is that the "standard" definition of death is already wrong. This means that (even though the insurance company may think differently) we are already freezing people who may be alive. There are 2 cases for the future: 1. Cryonics has become so popular that the whole idea of life insurance has been replaced by cryonics insurance. No problem: you simply transfer your old life insurance policy over into a cryonics insurance policy. 2. Given the comments above, it's not clearly a problem if you simply die (by the common ideas of death). You arrange to do that with the suspension team at hand ready to act. (This is basically what would happen if cryonics societies could use any of the laws allowing doctors to help someone commit suicide). This second option is for the case in which it's accepted that suspensions can be done without killing someone, but most of the population (especially that segment of the population which makes and administers the laws) still hasn't come round to the idea of cryonics. Incidentally, there have already been suspensions in which the patient started to breathe again... but since they'd already been declared "dead" (that semi-religious ritual) that did not matter. (The thing to remember about such cases is that the patient was sick enough that doctors had given up on him/her completely --- the only thing that would have happened if the suspension stopped and the person was revived would be that they would be revived dying and in misery). Unfortunately, even if suspensions did NOT injure people enough that by present common criteria they would be considered dead, it simply won't happen that you will necessarily be suspended while alive. There are always such things as accidents and sudden heart attacks, strokes, or other failures. And if you are the victim of such an event, then you will be frozen "after death"... regardless. So the entire issue of life insurance may turn out to be moot, in your particular case. If you buy a whole life policy and live long enough, then that policy becomes payable even if you are alive. If you buy a term policy and don't live long enough, the life insurance becomes payable. And it is in that latter case that you may well die unexpectedly, of the sudden events I've listed. Naturally if you do use a term policy you'd be saving your money, too. This means that (if you don't die unexpectedly) you should have enough to pay for your suspension when you're old enough to expect that suspension may be needed soon. Best and long long life to all, Thomas Donaldson Rate This Message: http://www.cryonet.org/cgi-bin/rate.cgi?msg=10949