X-Message-Number: 10981 From: "Timur Rozenfeld" <> Subject: Standards, etc. Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1998 07:52:08 -0700 > When I proposed to an Objectivist study group a few years ago that signing up for cryonics was a > rational outcome of their stated standard of life, I discovered the SAME ARGUMENTS given by > anyone else rejecting cryonics. > This wasn't a scientific sample. > Neither did their "reasoning" make sense to me. > Still doesn't. > HOW one defines "life" or any other chosen goal still seems arbitrary to me If defining life and any other goals are arbitrary, then we are all "right" in our selected goals and there is not much point in trying to convince people of cryonics, if their arbitrary standard of life is no better or worse than yours. Implicit in your statement is that cryonics is the *right* option for human beings who choose life. When you are dead, there are not many good definitions for life... I happen to agree that it is illogical to reject cryonics if one takes life as the standard. As for self-esteem, I don't really understand what problems you have with it. Many people probably fear cryonics out of religious reasons and because they just don't believe it will work... > If you cease to identify with your experiences (actions, emotions, thoughts, etc.), then this > enables the free and emotionally unfettered use of and understanding of same in direct > proportion. I don't understand what you mean by the above. > I personally think the "experiencer" is a mental illusion and can be very successfully lived > WITHOUT. In fact FAR more successfully! You talk about illusion. But before you identify something is illusion, you must have identified something as reality. Illusion means non-real, so you first have to know the real. We experience things every second of our lives yet you claim that is an illusion. By what means have you arrived at this conclusion? Timur Rozenfeld Rate This Message: http://www.cryonet.org/cgi-bin/rate.cgi?msg=10981