X-Message-Number: 10984 Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1998 11:08:29 -0700 From: Mike Perry <> Subject: Self, Non-Self George Smith (#10979) writes, >I personally think the "experiencer" is a mental illusion and can be very >successfully lived >WITHOUT. In fact FAR more successfully! This sounds very much like the doctrine of "non-self" that is prevalent in Eastern traditions such as Buddhism and Taoism. I don't know of any Buddhist or Taoist who has signed up for cryonics (does anyone else?). Rejection of cryonics is not hard to rationalize based on a doctrine of non-self. Maybe a good many of the "no-brainers" who do so are really "non-selfers". >For further excursions in this realm, I urge a careful re-read of the thought >experiments >proposed by Professor Ettinger in THE PROSPECT OF IMMORTALITY, >chapter 8, "The Problem of >Identity (pp 129-143), also available on line at the CI website. I have studied these thought experiments, and they do show some of the difficulties of arriving at a coherent notion of "self." But I don't think it is impossible to do so. This is one of the aims in my book, *Forever for All* which (as I keep saying) should *soon* be available for review for those interested. >WHAT you believe "YOU" to BE seems pretty important if you are looking at >life extension and >beating death. On that I suspect we all agree. I certainly agree. Mike Perry Rate This Message: http://www.cryonet.org/cgi-bin/rate.cgi?msg=10984