X-Message-Number: 11204 Date: Sun, 31 Jan 1999 12:13:58 -0800 From: Olaf Henny <> Subject: Anybody Out There? One of our CI directors, Dr. Michael Hart, was co-editor and contributor to the book EXTRA-TERRESTRIALS: WHERE ARE THEY? published by Pergamon in 1982.His calculations indicated that, based on studies of atmospheric evolution, the chance of life developing on a habitable planet is only around 10^ -30. My opinion based on no subject knowledge and no idea of the multitude of factors involved and no clue on how to even start calculating the probability of the life developing event is that the ratio should be higher by a whole bunch of orders of magnitude. Period. - So There! :-) I am paraphrasing the words of an astronomer (I believe it was Carl Sagan), since I do not remember them exactly: "To think, that there are other civilizations out there is absolutely awesome. To think that there is no other civilization out there with hundreds of billions of star systems in each of hundreds of billions of galaxies is even more awesome." Thoughts on the question: Then why haven't we met them yet? It is a big arena out there. The last cosmic event, which destroyed much of the life on earth and which had the potential to destroy a civilization happened about 65 million years ago. Not much data to base estimates on but let us assume, that the recurrence of an event of such magnitude out here in the outer arm of the galaxy is 50 to 100 million years. Let us also look at our nearest neighbor the Centauri system: Binary, two suns creating a whole lot of gravitational turbulence, probably enough to rip any emerging atmosphere from a planet positioned close enough to either sun to develop life. The erratic orbits in such a system would surely result in climatic fluctuations too extreme to permit water based life to emerge. That system is closest to us, but still 4.5 light years away. If we go toward the center of the galaxy, cosmic turbulence is much greater due to proximity of interfering solar systems as well as increased interstellar debris, so that life ending cosmic events are likely occurring on much too great a frequency to permit civilization to emerge. So back to the outer arm, where interstellar distances allow relatively peaceful development of life, but the distances are enormous. Now we need a sun with just the right type of radiation and a planet of proper size and positioning to develop life recognizable to us. Although there may be hundreds even thousands of those, the nearest one is probably hundreds of light years from us and we have only made ourselves known in a rather feeble way with electronic signals for about 100 years ago. And who knows given the turbulences other systems may encounter, we may well be one of the first few (-hundred?) civilizations out of the starting gate. Our galaxy is enormous and sounding off for about a hundred years with a few feeble beeps, which have to penetrate the interferences in the body of our galaxy to get to other sections of the galactic outer rim, may well get lost in its vastness. Best, Olaf Rate This Message: http://www.cryonet.org/cgi-bin/rate.cgi?msg=11204