X-Message-Number: 11968 Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 14:30:45 +0100 From: (John de Rivaz) Subject: Re: Meme theory / Newtonian physics, and those ants As a result of posting the review to uk.local.southwest, someone told me about http://www.memes.org.uk/ - I have only just found it and extracted Dr Blackmore's email address and sent her a lot of the correspondence resulting from the review. Hopefully she will comment. In article: <>"Philip Rhoades" <> writes: > > As far as Economics is concerned, it is less a science and more voodoo . . Yes, economics is to do with chaos theory and iterations. In Butterfly Economics Paul Ormerod describes this eloquently - basing his observations on a model of a nest of ants and two supplies of food. Which supply does the first ant go to, and which subsequent ant goes to which supply of food, and how do subsequent ants behave? This sounds like a trivial problem, but it is in fact a matter of abstruse mathematics. Similar problems relate to whether a given film is a success or not and which toy is a hit at Christmas. Why was Lou Grade's "Raise the Titianic" such a monumental flop when many similar action adventure films such as the "Lost Ark" series raised a small fortune for their producers? A mere slip of chance could have made "Raise the Titianic" a success, and Lord Grade could have made a whole string of films afterwards. Cryonics and many of the religions have the central idea of dealing with the problem of death. This is undoubtedly in the forefront of human minds - hence the popularity of the Dracula stories. Initiating death is also a popular concept - the average American child has seen 40,000 murders on TV by the time he is 18. Yet cryonics has gone the way of "Raise the Titianic". It has a few vociferous supporters and activists, but the vast mass of humanity passes it by eventually to rot or burn. Anything that helps to understand why this is so ought to be studies. Millions of lives are at stake. If you don't fancy The Meme Machine, then maybe Butterfly Economics could be a fruitful course of study instead. http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/0571200419/longevityreport (sorry no US source as yet, but you can order using a credit card form the UK) In article: <> Peter Merel <> writes: > We're open minded, sure, but we're not credulous. If we were, > we'd be lining up for tombstones with the religionists. I like it! > If memetics treated ideas as organisms in an > ecosystem I'd have very little problem with it. Unfortunately, it doesn't > do that - it treats them as alleles within an organism. Perhaps it is my lack of understanding with what I am reading that made me think of *memeplexes* as organisms within an ecosystem. I suppose that one could have a memeplex containing just one meme, but its survival value may not be very good. A memeplex is a group of memes, eg a religion that has memes "Blind faith is good" "have blind faith in God" "God speaks through me". such a memeplex seems to be better equipped for survival than "Cryonics is the best option instead of burning or rotting" "Technology is advancing such that reanimations could be possible sometime" "when you are revived the world will be great" "sign up now - what can you lose" You could add the two, and add a meme that suggests that God requires you to have cryonics, eg "God has given you the gifty of life - show gratitude by looking after it" However the meme "Using cryopreservation shows lack of (blind) faith in an afterlife" could attack this new memeplex. Note that Christian Scientists have a similar meme that attacks the conventional practise of medicine. -- Sincerely, John de Rivaz Homepage: http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/JohndeR Longevity Report: http://www.geocities.com/HotSprings/Sauna/3748/lr.htm Fractal Report: http://www.longevb.demon.co.uk/fr.htm PCS - a Singles listing sheet for people in Cornwall http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/JohndeR/pcs.htm Rate This Message: http://www.cryonet.org/cgi-bin/rate.cgi?msg=11968