X-Message-Number: 12256 From: Thomas Donaldson <> Subject: agreement with Saul Kent, plus a few comments Date: Sat, 14 Aug 1999 21:41:19 +1000 (EST) Hi everyone! I'm happy that Saul Kent saw fit to "introduce some reality". And yes, so far as I know, he's quite correct. It will be quite ironic if a company laced with cryonicists turns out to deliver a good way to preserve organs other than the brain ... and later, the brain, too. It would also turn some things upside down: I remember very well how various cryobiologists spoke against cryonics. I'm told (I hadn't gotten involved by then, being wrapped up in math for my PhD thesis) that they didn't start that way, but turned against cryonics when they found that we couldn't provide all the finances to THEM that they wanted. Of course, I'm not taking back my message on the previous Cryonet (#12251). As for Tom Mazanec, I will say that it really helps to know much more about brains and how they work. At a minimum you'll understand the problems which must be solved much better. Because we're talking about the Real World, not a fantasy, our own ideas of how things work might be found to be false at any time. But within those limits, it's certain that 21st Century Medicine can produce improved methods for preservation of other organs, and many of their ideas should extend, with work, to very much improved preservation of brains, too. Improved enough that we'll know (from animal experiments) that we can revive at least the brains of patients suspended by those methods. From that point on, some means to revive whole patients will certainly be devised; other than the brain, all else is replaceable, and not only that, but replaceable BIOLOGICALLY. Best and long long life to all, Thomas Donaldson Rate This Message: http://www.cryonet.org/cgi-bin/rate.cgi?msg=12256