X-Message-Number: 12354 From: Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 19:33:35 EDT Subject: values are not arbitrary Scott Badger suggested that we are free to create or assign meaning to our lives, and this has merit in the sense of rejecting the notion that some outside or "higher" "purpose" exists. But it does not really address the central question, which is What ought one to do? It is tempting-and many have succumbed to this temptation-to shrug and say that "ought" is arbitrary and beyond the purview of objective investigation or validation. My claim is that one can, rather, build a rigorous value system, which is centered on the self but nevertheless objective and not in any sense arbitrary. The basic tools are biology (including physics) and logic. Naturally we must be extremely careful with words. "Values" and "goals" and "ends" and "means" and "purpose" and "right"-among many others-all have shifting meanings from time to time, person to person, and from one context to another. How to pin down language effectively can only develop gradually in the course of the investigation. Your most basic want or need or value is feel-good (including, of course, the avoidance of feel-bad). But it is easy to become confused and discouraged when you try to go further. The ancient hedonists quickly lost favor, not because of any fundamental error, but because they could only apply their idea in an unrealistically simplistic way; they lacked the tools of biology and mathematics. Likewise, if someone attempts to develop the notion of feel-good as the foundation of value, he is likely quickly to become discouraged. After all, he might note, eating makes us feel good-but only temporarily. The same is true of many drives, for obvious (and sometimes not so obvious) utilitarian reasons. On the other hand, when rats were allowed to push buttons to stimulate their sexual pleasure centers via electrodes in the brain, they reportedly would keep it up until exhaustion. On the third hand, many things that make us feel good temporarily are bad for us in the longer run. On the fourth hand, many things that make us feel good in one way make us feel bad in another way. On the fifth hand, the degree of importance we assign to a goal does not seem well correlated with intensity of feeling; for example, many are more motivated by duty than by sensuality, even though the feelings involved in the latter may seem more intense. On the sixth hand, we are often more motivated by "intellectual" pleasures (including music?) than "fleshly" ones. But all this frustration is only a challenge, not a dead end. The world is not random, because "randomness" ultimately is not a meaningful concept. Choices have consequences, and our mentation is understandable. What you "ought" to do means what you will do in light of the fullest available understanding of the world, yourself, and your situation. The "best" choices will only become apparent to those best equipped to investigate and calculate. The scientific attitude, and only that, is applicable to all areas of life and thought. (This does not mean that you always have to wear a lab jacket or frown a lot or never take a vacation from worry.) This is an unwelcome message, perhaps, and some who reject it now will luck out, but don't count on it. Robert Ettinger Cryonics Institute Immortalist Society http://www.cryonics.org Rate This Message: http://www.cryonet.org/cgi-bin/rate.cgi?msg=12354