X-Message-Number: 12366 From: Date: Sat, 4 Sep 1999 12:42:23 EDT Subject: premortem cryonics Rion Snow asks about Hemlock, right-to-die etc. in relation to cryonics and the desirability of being able, in appropriate circumstances, to cryopreserve a patient before legal death. This is politically and psychologically a very touchy subject. It is easy for the uninformed to form a false impression, or for the hostile to disseminate a false impression. The "right-to-life" people, and others of a religious or otherwise "conservative" persuasion, may just believe or say that we are trying to kill people, period; or that, even if we have good intentions, "right-to-die" is a slippery slope that must be avoided. Dr. Kevorkian's well-intended but imprudent actions have made things worse. My personal suggestion would be to support Hemlock if you are so inclined, but keep it separate from cryonics. The strange twists of psychology apply to Hemlock people as well as their opponents. I have given talks about cryonics at Hemlock meetings, but found no takers. People on both sides have tunnel vision. In terms of near-future, practical measures, if you or a family member are terminal and want to initiate cryopreservation, my suggestion is as follows. Die in a state that does not have a law against suicide (even though it may have a law against assisted suicide, as in Michigan). Make prior arrangements with the Medical Examiner, and have him or a representative present when the patient (unassisted) commits suicide by an appropriate method. Obtain the Medical Examiner's prior assurance that he will sign the death certificate and waive autopsy.....I'm not saying that locating a cooperative Medical Examiner will be easy, but it MIGHT be possible, if handled carefully. Robert Ettinger Cryonics Institute Immortalist Society http://www.cryonics.org Rate This Message: http://www.cryonet.org/cgi-bin/rate.cgi?msg=12366