X-Message-Number: 12567
Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 23:20:22 -0700
From: Olaf Henny <>
Subject: We may become ourseves quite formidable

I have been quite busy lately and not been able to keep up to 
date with the CryoNet postings, so forgive me, if I go back a few 
days:

 In Message #12529 Thomas Donaldson wrote:

>I have no doubt that someday we'll be able to make an entirely artificial
>creature which can also value and feel (if we choose to do so, though
>that's not obvious). I'm not arguing about the possibility of artificial
>intelligence, either. I'm simply pointing out that intelligence,
>artificial or not, simply isn't enough. If we made intelligent devices
>with no independent ability to value or feel or have any particular 
>purposes, then they will basically react to us as present computers do:
>we ask them to do something, they try to do it and tell us the results.

It is quite possible, that we will become quite formidable ourselves.

Theory:
Ralph Merkle estimated, that a nano-computer of one megabyte including 
power source and circuits would occupy about one cubic micrometer.

Fact: 
The main part of the Aussie sniffer is a switch, which measures 
1.5 nanometers.  Assuming that the 1.5 NM holds for all three 
dimensions, we could stack about three hundred million of those 
things into a cubic micrometer, giving us roughly 6x10^8 bits or 
73 MB.  Of course there is a whole lot more required for a 
computer, but in one MB worth of these switches, which are 
already available today would only occupy 1.4% of that cubic 
micrometer, leaving a lot of room for the rest of Ralph Merkle's 
hardware. It seems to this my in these matters uneducated fellow, 
that Ralph Merkle was conservative, if anything.

Fact:
NASA has already developed a technology, which enables a lady 
through pure thought picked up by sensors attached to her scull 
to simulate the landing of a large jet liner, complete with 
manipulating the heavy machinery, which represented the equipment 
actually involved in a real world landing.

Conjecture:
You stack one billion of Ralph's 1MB computers into 1mm^3, the 
size of a small sugar grain, and you have a one million GB 
storage memory.  How many of these little things can you stick 
into my cranial cavity without cramming the brain, and how many 
would it take to hold all the information contained today in the 
world's libraries.  Now if you can refine the computer-mind 
interface, which has so crudely demonstrated by NASA, to make all 
that information directly available to me, I would present quite 
a challenge to overcome by an artificial intelligence.

I would like to hear some arguments, why the above suggestions 
are less probable or would take longer to arrive than AI.

Best, 
Olaf

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