X-Message-Number: 12684 Date: Mon, 01 Nov 1999 00:02:39 -0700 From: Mike Perry <> Subject: Re: Feeling discussion Kennita Watson (#12677) raises the issue of whether the discussion of feelings is relevant to cryonics (the same sort of concerns have been raised before). Of course, anyone can skip these postings if they are well-titled, and many who are not very interested in them seem content to do so (while others have in the past insisted they do not belong here at all). To me the issues of feeling and consciousness are relevant to cryonics because cryonics itself is an attempt to "bring back" a person from a state that conventional wisdom considers "dead." This raises the question of just where "you" may be at that point--in your frozen, physical remains, in a mystical soul that departs the body at the "event" of death, or what? And, if you grant that "you" are contained in your frozen remains (if well-enough preserved) and not in a mystical soul, then what about other forms of matter, say an advanced, suitably programmed computer of the future that has your information? It might be far more straightforward and safer to bring back a person by recovery of information from their remains, and expressing this information as some kind of program, than to bring them back directly as wetware. Some might say we should wait and see, rather than taking up space on this forum over such issues. I don't see it that way; the questions are interesting and I hope those that don't have the interest I have can just skip to what they are interested in. Kennita also asks, "Is there anything I would do differently if one side or the other wins this argument?" To me there is not a simple dichotomy between two sides here. I'm looking for insights I haven't thought of before, not just to win a "victory" over somebody who disagrees with me. If nothing else, it could affect how I present the case for cryonics to outsiders. Mike Perry Rate This Message: http://www.cryonet.org/cgi-bin/rate.cgi?msg=12684