X-Message-Number: 13004
From: "George Smith" <>
References: <>
Subject: Re: CryoNet  #13002 - Are we all DAFed?
Date: Sun, 26 Dec 1999 11:16:01 -0800

Yes, yes.  A fallacy in principle is a fallacy without regard to whether
anyone anywhere anytime understands it.

I was under the impression, however, that we were discussing this from a
phenomenological (experience-centered) perspective - WHY does the individual
person ever choose death over life.

From the practical perspective of the individual, his getting out of pain
can set aside all other issues.  In other words, I was trying to make the
point that choosing death to stop feeling pain does not require any other
explanation - including DAF.

I agree with you entirely that your DAF is most important.  I also agree
with you that DAF is commonly used to help rationalize multiple forms of
suicide common to our culture.

I also like the acronym itself.  Thank you!

George Smith
"Give me five minutes alone with him with this small, sharpened pencil, and
he'll be singing another tune!" -Black Adder (paraphrased)

> Message #13002
> From: Keith Rene Dugue <>
> Subject: It is a DAFy world
> Date: Sat, 25 Dec 1999 22:26:39 -0800
> To George Smith
> Unfortunately, fallacies exist independently of how well the individuals
that they affect understand them or are able to understand them.
> So , yes the arguments of those who claim they can escape suffering
through death are Death Advantage Fallacious (DAFy)

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