X-Message-Number: 13143 From: Thomas Donaldson <> Subject: More on abortion and cryopreservation Date: Wed, 26 Jan 100 12:59:32 +1100 (EST) Hi again! There first thing I will say here is that, yes, my opinion on these issues has been affected by my previous experience. A good number of people have proposed various ways to increase the growth rate of cryonics. So far, such proposals have utterly failed. The main strategy that works NOW is simply for those who want to promote growth to approach those they know personally and raise the topic of cryonics with them. Yes, all those other methods DO produce a relatively small number of new members, but hardly the number expected by their proponents. A very few years ago (1996-1997, as I remember) one fellow with a background in promoting various organizations and charities joined Alcor and promised to increase Alcors growth rate within a year. We all hoped that he'd do that, but so far the only thing Ive heard about the success of his ideas is total silence (suggestive, especially when I look at Alcor's figures on growth). I will also admit that the strategy of trying to substitute freezing for abortion hasnt been raised, at least very loudly, at all over the last 10 years as I remember them. I do not withdraw the problems I see with such a strategy. Anyone who wants to try it is welcome to do so; my personal opinion (which may be wrong) is that they will find their proposal offends both "pro-life" people AND "pro-abortion" people, with no frozen babies resulting. Finally, a short comment on Doug Skreckys piece, clearly relevant to the proposed strategy: so far methods for freezing embryos are done only a few days after fertilization, when the embryo consists of only one or a very few cells. It DOES work, but using it requires that the mother have ALREADY decided to freeze the embryos beforehand. Presenting that possibility when she first realizes shes pregnant is likely to be much too late for anything other than some form of cryonics to work --- if shes interested at all. I will also point out that so far the legal situation of such embryos AFTER THE DEATH OF THE MOTHER has been unknown at best. Several courts have decreed simply that they be thawed and buried; since human embryos dont count as property, the mother cannot even control their fate by her Will. Best and long long life to all, Thomas Donaldson Rate This Message: http://www.cryonet.org/cgi-bin/rate.cgi?msg=13143