X-Message-Number: 13470
Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2000 17:40:35 -0500
From: david pizer <>
Subject: Re: CryoNet #13459 - #13465

At 05:00 AM 4/4/00 -0400, CryoNet wrote:

>Message #13460
>From: "john grigg" <>
>Subject: Joanna Epstein
>Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2000 16:47:15 PDT


>We must do all we can to help Joanna.  I realize financial resources are 
>limited but we must find a way somehow.

>John Grigg

The Venturists may be getting close to providing this type of help.  See

Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 22:39:42 -0400
>From: gary tripp <>
>Subject: charitable funding of suspensions


>A charity would be a good way to solve this problem.
>Such an organization could invest and accumulate money in a tax free
>environmnet and so fund research into cryonic suspension technology in
>addition to the occasional suspension. 


>Comments anyone?

>Message #13463
>Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2000 18:50:07 -0700
>From: Peter Christiansen <>
>Subject: RE: Dave Pizer's Cryonics Supportive Community

>The principal objection to Dave Pizer's proposal for the establishment
>of a Cryonics Supoortive Community seems to be that many people do not
>want to ggive their home for a small apartment. This seems


We are finally moving forward.  I recently purchased 40 acres about one
hour drive north of Phoenix/Scottsdale.  This is in a rural area of 4000
foot elevation.  There are retirement ranchettes (big house on 5 acres), a
few regular ranches and small towns in the area.  Prescott and Prescott
Valley (about 75,000 people) are 25 minutes to the west.  Sedona and Oak
Creek Canyon are an hour to the north.

Except for one other 40 acre parcel of private land that is kitty-corner to
mine, my 40 acres is surrounded by State and Federal lands so no one else
can build next to my land.  If things work out, I might buy the other
parcel for future development.  There is a little brook that flows year
round through the middle of the property.  The brook has native
cottonwoods, Mesquites and other large trees, wild flowers in the spring
and lots of other bushes and plants. The animals come to the creek to
drink: rabbits, foxes, deer, lots of birds.

This is an area that is considered safe from earthquakes, floods and other

This is truely a peaceful and secure place but just an hour drive from
Phoenix with its state of the art medical care (a Mayo Clinic and a Mayo

I am hopeing to build a small resort with small cabins along the creek.
Back on the hills overlooking the creek, I would like the Society for
Venturism to build apartments or homes for cryoicists to buy, rent or
lease.  These would be either small or large depending on the tenant's
needs and ability.

There could also be a hospice or in-home hospice service.  This is the
parcel that I would like to create a cryonics community that I have seen a
need for.  A place where like-minded persons can work together to raise the
odds for mutiple survival.  Residents could have condo-like homes or
free-standing homes on larger parcels, like 1/2 acre.

We could have a community meeting building, a spa, exercise room (although
there are miles and miles or nature trails leading through the federal
forrests that adjoin this parcel for hiking.  
The income from  the resort portion might be used to create the cryonics
community.  There can also be buildings where cryonics volunteers can work
together to raise public awareness for life extension and also to raise
money for charitable help in underfuned suspensions.  We would need people
who are experts with computers, writers, public speakers, and other
workers.  Some people could do radio talk shows and if we raise awareness,
we could supply guests for TV talk shows.  We might also have our own
printing equipment and publish magazines and books on cryonics, life
extension and other related topics.

The next step is to raise the money to build the public resort portion. I
may be able to have that by the end of this year. In the meantime, people
interested can throw out ideas for discussion.

What can develop there in the way of a supportive community will depend on
the people that are willing to join together and make this happen.  All
cryonicists and their ideas are welcome.

Dave Pizer

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