X-Message-Number: 13578
Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 03:12:23 -0400
Subject: Re: CryoNet #13552 - #13556
From: "Don Phillips" <>

     What's the operational status of the ALCOR facility in Arizona? My 
inquiries have not been answered.

>From: CryoNet <>
>Subject: CryoNet #13552 - #13556
>Date: Sat, Apr 15, 2000, 5:00 AM

> CryoNet - Sat 15 Apr 2000
>     #13552: Re: CryoNet #13535 Dave's land [Azt28]
>     #13553: Confusion over Uploading [Mike Perry]
>     #13554: Re: Uploading versus Cryonics...NOT! [George Smith]
>     #13555: Location and children [ECO]

>     #13556: Wireless On-Patient Interface for Health Monitoring [Eugene Leitl]
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> Message #13552
> From: 
> Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 11:58:13 EDT
> Subject: Re: CryoNet #13535 Dave's land
> John deRivaz suggest to use real estate loans to finance cryonics
> suspension. This may be the "killer ap." (bad words for the subject:-)
> of cryonics marketing. What about a first try  in John's land near
> Portowant (sp?).
> My two pence along these ideas: I suggest to sell virtual houses.
> When you buy one, you may stand in a house of a network. You could
> stay for example four months in arizona, then move  for 3 months to southern
> UK, go to France's south for 2 months, jump in Australia for some time and
> end the year in Russia. In each place there would be a cryonics service.
> You own one house but you use many in a year.
> Travel is now a life mode for retired, be "glued" to a single place may be
> tedious for many. twenty years from now it may be simply unthinkable.
> YB.
> nomy.  The night air is very clear.
>  >I think it would be nice to have an astronomy building, even though it
>  >might have to start out small.??
>  >
> I am building an owen to bake 40" blank glass (to put them in the good
> shape and supress internal tensions) and I can polish mirrors up to 80".
> My biggest completed mount up to now is a 33" system, alt-az on
> equatorial plateform. This summer I hope start a klin for making 160"
> blanks. It will be used too for heating a 12 kW metal vapor laser.
> My own site is near a wild area, with sea and salt lakes nearby, I 'll put
> here the most offensive items, such big lasers pumped by shock waves:-)
> If there is an astronomy componment in your project, I am a candidate
> to bring a 1 m telescope.
> Yvan_Bozzonetti.
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> Message #13553
> Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 11:14:10 -0700
> From: Mike Perry <>
> Subject: Confusion over Uploading
> In the last CryoNet Yvan Bozzonetti ("Azt28") responds to some of us on the
> "uploading" issue. Studying his responses carefully, it looks as if he is
> simply trying to make the point that, in his view, reanimation through some
> form of uploading is a more likely possibility or easier route than a
> tissue-based reanimation. This point of view has merit and actually I tend
> to agree. But the way that much of his stuff is written seems, at first
> glance, instead to be saying that being uploaded is somehow a better option
> for someone dying *today* than being frozen. This of course is absurd and
> brings home the fact that while we can at least freeze a brain today, albeit
> imperfectly, we can't yet do uploading in any meaningful sense.
> Mike Perry
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> Message #13554
> From: "George Smith" <>
> References: <>
> Subject: Re: Uploading versus Cryonics...NOT!
> Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 12:06:26 -0700
> In Message #13545 From:  wrote on the Subject: Re: to G. Smith
> about uploading.
> This is my reply.
> No, no, no.  You misunderstand me completely!  We are NOT in opposition!
> This whole issue RIGHT NOW regarding uploading and cryonics is not a choice
> at all!
> Right now, there is NO choice because there is nothing you or I can do to be
> uploaded yet.
> There is only the cryonics option now (or death).
> All I am saying is that cryonics DOES exist now so don't wait around for
> something else to BECOME available.  If you die before uploading comes on
> line, you will have missed the boat!
> Cover your options!  Hedge your bets!  Don't just wait for the Messiah!
> All I'm saying is that since you can very inexpensively sign up for whole
> body suspension now, don't put it off because there MAY BE other, "simpler"
> or better solutions in the FUTURE.
> Reserve your space on the lifeboat that exists NOW.
> You can be certain that if uploading becomes available I'll be right in line
> with you waiting to be scanned into the computer.
> Just don't die waiting in line without the cryonics option.
> Don't choose to be dead right (and buried six feet) instead of winning.
> It is not cryonics "versus" uploading.  Right now it is only cryonics and
> waiting for uploading (or whatever else comes along later).
> Best wishes,
> George Smith
> www.cryonics.org
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> Message #13555
> From: "ECO" <>
> References: <>
> Subject: Location and children
> Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2000 00:27:31 +0200
> Adjusted
> PR for another serious matter. Would You like a better chance to live again?
> Read and be serious over this page: http://expage.com/page/cryonics
>> Best of luck with the idea.  Hopefully someone can follow up with a
>> European equivalent someday.
> Where are you and where do you wish it to be?
>> >
>> >Where else than France is it delays?
>> >
>> I know there is a similar problem in Germany with long imposed ischemic
> time.
>> I don't know the situation in other country, from my informations, only UK
> is
>> "not too bad".
> Better check with our German friend and the others, or move to UK if not US
> then.
>> Even in free cryonics countries, long delay is and will be a problem, even
> if
>> reversible cryopreservation can be realized in ideal cases. Outside
>> dedicated community "a la Pizer", many (most) case will fall in the
>> suboptimal domain and uploading will be the sole possibility to "get
> back".
> We better get together then and find an nice place to live in.
> I checked last night on the weather for Prescott near Pizer's place, after
> all the nice PR we read here for us friends. Without looking for records I
> found -10C (0C=32F) in winternights, that's damned cold even here and must
> mean a lot of ice and sliding as I disgust. Better in the summer to get away
> from the dry air and heat in the Valley as some complain of. After reading
> those plans again I can see its a new businessproject where we may come in
> 4-5 years from now.
> I am still searching for a place to stay all year, without snow ice heat
> (100F) naturaldisasters and bad tapwater, anywhere in the world. Found some
> close to it. Soon I settle down for family-life in second best tired of
> searching.
> By the way and changing subject a bit, are children a benefit or a burden at
> the end to our ideas?
> If they not are devoted Cryonicists I assume they can be a threat.
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> Message #13556
> From: Eugene Leitl <>
> Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2000 00:51:03 -0700 (PDT)
> Subject: Wireless On-Patient Interface for Health Monitoring
> http://s2k.arc.nasa.gov/prd_wopO.html
> Overview
> Monitoring an astronaut's basic health parameters -- such as body
> temperature, blood pressure, ECG, and blood gases -- typically
> requires a variety of sensors. Additional sensors can be involved when
> human and animal experiments are conducted on the Space Shuttle or
> Space Station. EEG electrodes may be necessary to look at brain
> activity, calcium sensors to study bone loss, or EMG electrodes to
> investigate muscle performance.
> Sensors 2000! has developed an easy-to-implement wireless biotelemetry
> system -- called the Wireless On-Patient Interface for Health
> Monitoring (WOPI) -- that can non-intrusively measure the health
> parameters of humans and animals in space. The device's sensors, which
> are connected to miniature transceiver modules, are implanted,
> ingested, or attached to the body with Band-Aids. Sensors communicate
> with a belt-worn device that retransmits or records the data and also
> sends basic commands to each sensor. The device also displays a quick
> status of all physiological and biological parameters.
> Technical Description
> The different sensors used in the WOPI communicate with the monitoring
> device at different frequencies. The monitoring device is modular and
> can be configured to meet the users demands. Several transceiver input
> modules can be plugged into a core module. Each transceiver module
> transmits commands to and receives data from a particular sensor. The
> core module controls the operation of each transceiver and prepares
> the received data for the output module, which can be a display, a
> data logger, or a re-transmitter that relays the data to a remote base
> station.
> Each wireless sensor consists of a transducer (thermistor, electrode,
> and biosensor), a signal conditioner (preamplifier), and a transceiver
> module (command receiver and data transmitter).  These components can
> either be mounted on a Band-Aid for non-invasive measurements or put
> in pill-shaped shells for ingestable or implantable applications. For
> larger and more complex sensors (for instance a pulse oximeter), the
> signal conditioner and transceiver can be worn on a wrist band.
> The system can be expanded to include wireless actuators as well, for
> instance infusion pumps or other drug delivery systems.
> Applications
> The WOPI could be integrated into a spacesuit and provide astronaut
> with information about their health via a helmet display. This "smart
> spacesuit" could transmit the information to other astronauts inside
> the Shuttle or Space Station and generate medical alerts when
> necessary. Biotelemetry experiments that involve group-housed animals
> could also benefit from the technology. Sensors could be implanted in
> research animals and the receiver/controller could be integrated into
> the animal housing facility, saving space.
> Non-NASA
> Physicians could use the system to observe their patients remotely and
> get continuous access to patient health data. This type of home
> monitoring means patients could be released from hospitals
> earlier. The technology also has potential applications in athletics
> and emergency-response activities.
> For more information on this product contact Mike Skidmore
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