X-Message-Number: 13583
From: "john grigg" <>
Subject: Feeling the guilt so badly!!!  (and I should too!)
Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 17:24:13 PDT

Rudi Hoffman wrote:
Many people reading this posting this very moment, however, do not have 
funding in place to make their suspension a reality.  I am amazed at this.  
Many people who post regularly here-- and are often even highly 
opinionate--are "closet corpses" who in reality do not have solid funding in 

Rudi, I am feeling so guilty!!  I am one of those "closet corpses" who post 

you continue:
Dave Pizer, (and I know that because you are fellow business man you already 
know this), please know that many people may have an opinion about cryonics 
and community, but on the part of many cryonicists there is an unfortunate 
lack of "follow through" when it comes to actually putting even relatively 
small amounts of money to make dreams reality.  How do I know that there are 
dilettantes and hypocrites (for lack of better word) who regularly post 

Do you mean cryonicists putting forth money to fund research?  Ranging from 
those who are multi-millioniares to middle-class?  Saints Saul Kent and Wil 
Faloon being the notable and blessed exceptions?

you continue:
I know this because I have had the opportunity to correspond with quite a 
few people who are regular contributors to this board.  These hypocrites 
have initiated correspondence with me regarding funding.  BUT...THEY have 
NEVER followed through, with me or other insurance vendors.  I know this 
through checking with Linda Chamberlain (Alcor) and Andy Zawacki (Cryonics 

I am one of those people who have initiated contact with you regarding a 
life insurance policy but NEVER followed through.  I apologize.

you continue:
Since we are talking monthly commitments that may be only $18 or $50 or $150 
dollars per month, it is highly unlikely that they have set $120,000 aside 
to fund their suspensions.

Very, very unlikely!!

you continue:
I take my commitments seriously.  Most of you do as well.  I use my valuable 
time, professionalism, toll free number, overnight mail costs, and the 
tremendous effort it takes to get appropriate, detailed,  and affordable 
proposals to people who have inquired.  All this is to make their dream of 
biostasis (and potential immortality) a REALITY for individuals.

And I am usually rewarded with equal candor, reliability, and responsibility 
by the responders.  There are others who are attracted to cryonics, however, 
who are ASTONISHINGLY unreliable, have NO sense of business realities, and 
who will try to soak up your time like a sponge while they "hold court" 
telling you  how you should do things.

In helping me Rudi you employed your 800 number, acquired shipping and 
postage costs, and used your valuable time to try to get me signed up at my 
own request.  And you were a friend who took the time to get to know me as 
you did these things.  I sincerely apologize.

you continue:
Dave, I know you are well aware of this "flake" syndrome.
By the way, my wife fondly refers to many cryonicists as "Frosted Flakes".  
Some are flakier than others! :)  Many reading this posting this very moment 
consider themselves "cryonicists" but have done ZERO to establish their 

I like the term your wife came up with.  I remember reading posts by various 
prominent cryonicists about how cryonics can attract the "socially 
challenged" and this would make it harder to attract people with a higher 
E.Q.! lol

I am a "Frosted Flake" of the extra flaky variety! lol  I have done nearly 
zero myself to establish funding for myself.  Contacting you was the first 
big step but I did not follow-up on it.

you continue:
If they live outside the United States this is understandable, as obtaining 
life insurance for the purpose of cryonic suspension is EXTREMELY difficult 
outside the United States.  (I am the leading writer of cryostasis policies 
in the world, and I do NOT have any carriers that will write outside of the 
country.  Although I am working on it diligently.  Thanks for the continued 
"Non United States" inquiries, but I cannot write you yet!)

I am very fortunate to be living in the United States and be able to take 
advantage of what is here.  Though living in Alaska puts me at the outer 
boundary of things.

you end with:
The above "rant" is hereby concluded. :)

Thank goodness!  I am feeling very guilty right now, but that is as it 
should be.  Rudi, I showed interest in what you offer as an insurance 
professional and with the best of intentions but being a $$ poor student 
without a solid job interfered with things.  Still, I should have stayed in 
touch and not let things slide as I did.

I am not done with college yet but I am working nearly full time now.  So, I 
can shortly reconnect with you and this time really get a life insurance 
policy to achieve the main goal of a cryonics policy.

I feel like Cryonet is the equivalent of watching a PBS fundraising drive!!  
As time goes by I get to feeling guiltier and guiltier, until I have to 
donate some money!  Actually, come to think of it, I feel guilty but never 
donate any money at all!!!

As the old saying goes "I needed that!"  Your words were a pail of ice cold 
water splashed in my face that was for the best.

Yesterday was my birthday.  I turned the big "thirty-three!"

best wishes,

John Grigg


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