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From: "Thomas Nord" <>
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Subject: kabu. Bob E.
Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 19:05:02 +0200

> In Japan, basically, legally dead persons must be cremated. Changing
> the Japanese legal system requires a lot of time and efforts. For this
> reason, many of us in Japan are thinking of immigrating into the U.S.
> or other countries/regions.
Not those problems in other good parts of he world, we need a lot of skilled
folks in EU soon...

> What is better is immigrating after retirement. But obtaining
> permanent residential right in other countries is quite difficult. If
> there is a system in which foreigners are employed for several hours
> of work a week (e.g., intellectual work using computer, garbage
> collector at a community) and can receive a small amount of payment
> with a proper working visa, cryonicists will get together from all
> over the world.
One must have a skill as cannot be found in US, as far as I know, so no
masses can take jobs from US citizens.

> As we have reported several times, dying under hospice care is the best
> current way to minimize delay in initiating cryonics procedures after
> of the patient. We have had several such experiences, all good ones.
> In Oakland County, Michigan, if the patient dies at home under hospice
> and if there is no one there authorized to pronounce death, then someone
> calls the EMS, which usually arrives within 5-10 minutes; they phone the
> nearest hospital emergency room and report the (lack of) vital signs, and
> ER physician pronounces over the phone. This is what happened with Walter
> Runkel and Helmer Fredriksson. There were also others, including Andrea
> in Washtenaw County.

Thats good but costs a bundle one must have.

> In Maricopa County, Arizona, under local law and custom, if the patient
> at home under hospice care, a family member can pronounce death--so long
> you know a physician will later sign the death certificate. A hospice
> will come out if requested, but it isn't necessary.
> When Mae died, her daughter Bonnie had the watch; she called me
> when Mae stopped breathing, and I confirmed death and we started the
> cool-down etc. Not more than a minute or two delay.

So its more or less the same, that's a good choice

> I plan to move back to Michigan this summer. Suicide is not illegal there,
> although assisted suicide is illegal. Before my death, if I have the
> of anticipating it while still compos mentis, I hope to persuade a medical
> examiner to have a representative present at my suicide and ready to
> pronounce death and waive autopsy, with our perfusion team on hand.
Back to the ice and snow Bob? Thought you liked it better in the heat.
Die "at home"? Many like to do it, I've seen it before.
Mich. in the summer and Az in he winter seems good, but I dont like such a
dual life transforming twice a year.
Where is suicide illegal?
Can only be punished if it fails.

TN in the middle of Sweden where its summer temps for the moment;-)

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