X-Message-Number: 13615
Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 15:53:44 -0500
From: david pizer <>
Subject: Re: CryoNet #13603 - #13610

At 05:00 AM 4/21/00 -0400, CryoNet wrote:
>Message #13603
>From: kabu <>
>Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 22:45:54 +0900
>Subject: Cryonics community for non-USA people

>Dave, this is Kaburagi.

>I must defer to my respects to your magnificent idea of Cryonics 
>Community. Let me tell you how members in Japan, including myself, 
>have been glad to know you have proposed such a great plan.
>I believe it is very important to establish a system to allow non-U.S. 
>citizens to join Cryonics Community. The system will surely give a 
>favorable effect on fund raising for putting the plan into practice.

The cryonics community will be open to all cryonicists from all over the
world.  The community will be run by the cryonicists that live there for
their benefit and for the purposes of trying to get other people over to
our philosophy.

>In Japan, basically, legally dead persons must be cremated. Changing 
>the Japanese legal system requires a lot of time and efforts. For this 
>reason, many of us in Japan are thinking of immigrating into the U.S. 
>or other countries/regions.

If I lived in Japan, I would either work to change this rule about
cremation, or move.  
As Charles Darwin said: "It is not the strongest of the species that
survives, nor the most intelligent, but the one most responsive to change."
 In other words, change the rules where you live or change *where* you live.

One of the reasons (and there are many) for this cryonics community is so
some of us who are presently mortal members of a mortal species, can band
together (there is strength in numbers) and make changes towards becoming

>What is better is immigrating after retirement. But obtaining 
>permanent residential right in other countries is quite difficult. If 
>there is a system in which foreigners are employed for several hours 
>of work a week (e.g., intellectual work using computer, garbage 
>collector at a community) and can receive a small amount of payment 
>with a proper working visa, cryonicists will get together from all 
>over the world.

Since some cryonicists will need income, (others may not), it would be nice
if we offered employment in one or both of the facilities, (the cryonics
community and the resort open to the public).  Besides the benefit of the
pay the employees would receive, there may be benefits in helping non-U.S.
citizens be allowed to live in the U.S.  

>We would like to examine the possibility of establishing a legal 
>system like this and propose the idea from a faraway country, Japan. 

I am not sure I understand this??

>We would like to join the great plan proposed by you.

OK, Come on over (in a year or so - I'll keep you posted).

Dave Pizer

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