X-Message-Number: 13617 From: "John de Rivaz" <> References: <> Subject: Re: cryonics community for non US people Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2000 12:37:17 +0100 It is hard to say when governments as a species will stop imposing migration controls on humans as a species. However in "Sovereign Individual" by James Dale Davidson and William Rees-Mogg, the authors suggest that governments as a species cannot survive indefinitely. They are merely the most effective and successful criminal (absolute not legal definition) organisations on the planet. The bad news, though, is that frightened people (rather than governments) seem genetically programmed to keep strangers out - strangers could be people from the next village never mind half way round the world. At the moment rich and successful countries like the US and the UK are difficult to get into if you are not already there, and this could get worse before it gets any better. If invaders from space were putting up road blocks stopping humans from moving about, I daresay more fuss would be made. I suggest that the best answer to the debate about a cryonics enclave or community is if several appear around the world and so that people can move to them if they wish depending on fiscal conditions, climate, stability and so on. Right at the moment, the US one in Phoenix appears the most viable in terms of interested people who already live nearby. Nevertheless it may well be that some of the new people entering the movement as a result of the Internet may manage to form local groups. Starting from scratch it would certainly seem best for those having to leave of their own country because of persecution by lawyers and politicians, to find a location that is as free as possible from economic and other legal harassment. It should have no or little immigration control, as well as being politically stable and a nice place to live. If a such a location has cheap property prices and living costs this could be a bargain that may attract emigrants from the US. They could sell their lease on a one room apartment in a US city and buy a whole house with a couple of acres attached in the new location, for example. -- Sincerely, John de Rivaz my homepage links to Longevity Report, Fractal Report, my singles club for people in Cornwall, music, Inventors' report, an autobio and various other projects: http://geocities.yahoo.com/longevityrpt Rate This Message: http://www.cryonet.org/cgi-bin/rate.cgi?msg=13617