X-Message-Number: 13617
From: "John de Rivaz" <>
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Subject: Re: cryonics community for non US people 
Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2000 12:37:17 +0100

It is hard to say when governments as a species will stop imposing migration
controls on humans as a species. However in "Sovereign Individual" by James
Dale Davidson and William Rees-Mogg, the authors suggest that governments as
a species cannot survive indefinitely. They are merely the most effective
and successful criminal (absolute not legal definition) organisations on the

The bad news, though, is that frightened people (rather than governments)
seem genetically programmed to keep strangers out - strangers could be
people from the next village never mind half way round the world.

At the moment rich and successful countries like the US and the UK are
difficult to get into if you are not already there, and this could get worse
before it gets any better. If invaders from space were putting up road
blocks stopping humans from moving about, I daresay more fuss would be made.

I suggest that the best answer to the debate about a cryonics enclave or
community is if several appear around the world and so that people can move
to them if they wish depending on fiscal conditions, climate, stability and
so on. Right at the moment, the US one in Phoenix appears the most viable in
terms of interested people who already live nearby. Nevertheless it may well
be that some of the new people entering the movement as a result of the
Internet may manage to form local groups.

Starting from scratch it would certainly seem best for those having to leave
of their own country because of persecution by lawyers and politicians, to
find a location that is as free as possible from economic and other legal
harassment. It should have no or little immigration control, as well as
being politically stable and a nice place to live. If a such a location has
cheap property prices and living costs this could be a bargain that may
attract emigrants from the US. They could sell their lease on  a one room
apartment in a US city and buy a whole house with a couple of acres attached
in the new location, for example.

Sincerely, John de Rivaz
my homepage links to Longevity Report, Fractal Report, my singles club for
people in Cornwall, music, Inventors' report, an autobio and various other
projects:       http://geocities.yahoo.com/longevityrpt

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