X-Message-Number: 13809 From: Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 19:22:47 EDT Subject: Cryonics too costly? Not for most... Hello, everyone. Rudi Hoffman writing from Daytona. I have been following with interest the Pizer comments and responses, and I believe I have something to add regarding the cost factors of cryonics. I have reproduced below the previous posts by Charles Platt and Dave Pizer. (Both of these gentlemen are highly respected pioneers in the still developing field of cryonics, IMO. Which does not make them right all the time.) In a message dated 05/29/2000 5:02:30 AM Eastern Daylight Time, writes: << >Price: I find it hard to believe that this is a major factor compared with >all the others, since almost everyone pays via life insurance, and the >premium for a $50,000 policy is not THAT different from the premium for a >$150,000 policy. Also, the cost of whole-body preservation at CI is not >that different from the cost of neuropreservation elsewhere; and many >people do opt for neuro. I have been in several business for over 40 years. I will state that price is often the single most important reason for success or failure of a business. The fact that most suspensions are NOT paid for with cash as Charles points out should be evidence that hardly anyone feels the risk is worth our asking price. In other words we have priced our product out of the reach of most people who might buy it when they need it most and can't get insurance. >> (Rudi again) I have said this before and I am sure I will say it again. Life insurance is the LOGICAL, rational, and preferred way of paying for suspension for most people. This IS an affordable deal for the vast majority of people prior to age 70 or so. "Cryonics is Dead?" NONSENSE! Over the last 6 years I have devoted an increasing part of my financial planning practice to writing cryonics policies. Inquiries and policy applications are active, and consistently trending up. While we are still very small and need to grow faster, the extremely low figures quoted earlier for Alcor membership are belied by the documentable life insurance policies currently issued or in progress. And I may the leading writer of life insurance to fund biostasis, but I am not the only provider. Please allow me to reproduce the article I have written for "Cryonics", as this is on point here. Yes, I know John DeRivas will have a fit, but the numbers still speak for themselves. Why Fund Your Suspension with Life Insurance? by Rudi Hoffman CFP I expect to have the money to fund my suspension in cash eventually. Mr. Hoffman, why should I take out a life insurance policy to fund my suspension? This question in some form comes up often in discussions with people with an interest in cryopreservation. The good news is that there are answers that are mathematically valid, (i.e. not merely opinions) and that make sense to most people. The purpose of this article is to answer this question in a clear, concise, understandable manner. Additionally, we will see that there is an empirical way of determining the optimum funding that will appeal to most rationally minded cryonicists. Let s personalize this with a discussion of a hypothetical individual Jack who is a 45 year old software developer. Okay, Jack, so you want to be cryogenically frozen with the possibility of future reanimation. You have thought about it for some time, but you are of a skeptical and questioning nature, and you have a consituency in the form of a wife and family who are not at all sure if you have not gone off the deep end and do not share your enthusiasm for the possibilities of technology . You want to create $120,000 for a full body suspension with ALCOR. You are excited because your mutual funds have been growing well, your career is taking off, and you expect to be seriously wealthy in the future. You want to do the best thing to assure your funding. You have negotiated with your wife, and you and she have decided that you can spend $1000 dollars per year towards cryonics funding. Here is the key question. Is is better for Jack to spend his 80 dollars per month in a mutual fund, or a life insurance policy, to fund his suspension? Here are the facts. Jack, a healthy nonsmoker, can create an INSTANT $120,000 to fund his suspension in a permanent Universal Life policy. Once he pays 80 bucks and qualifies, there is an IMMEDIATE and SURE payment to his cryonics organization to assure his suspension. The money does not go the cryonics organization at the expense of the survivors. This $120,000 does not have to come out of the estate Jack is leaving for his wife Mary and the children. Nor do they have the opportunity of second guessing Jack s choice and delaying or litigating Jack s wishes. On the other hand, let s say Jack puts his $80 dollars per month into a mutual fund. Even if he averages a great return, it will take decades to generate the required $120,000.* What happens if Jack is struck by a truck on the way to work tomorrow? There is no full funding, and Jack will not be suspended. What if Jack lives long enough to have adequate funding in his account? When Jack dies there is $120,000 which Jack has earmarked for his suspension. But this $120,000 is a much clearer target for any of Jack s potential heirs to contest. Jack s kids all turned out great. Except for the youngest, Leroy, who felt the world owed him a living. Jack had left each his children $200,000 in his will. But Leroy wanted at least part of the $120,000 Jack had earmarked for suspension! Do you think Leroy could find an attorney who would take this case? Could the money be tied up in a legal battle? Do will and estate contests occur over much less controversial issues than funding cryostasis? Absolutely! And these funding controversies HAVE and WILL CONTINUE to occur. There are other issues. If Jack is not insurable due to health reasons, he will not be able to obtain life insurance to fund his suspension, and he would be forced to fund his suspension from his estate. Most people become uninsurable at some point in their lives. It therefore makes sense to find out how affordable it can be to fund your suspension with the incredible financial leverage that only life insurance provides. It the case of cryonicists, the policy can truly become LIFE insurance-- not DEATH insurance. Cryonicists tend to be life extenionists who take great care of themselves and thereby can usually qualify for the best possible insurance rates. (I spend a good deal of time explaining this information to insurance companies!) In conclusion, for most people it makes sense to use life insurance to fund the exciting possibilities of cryonic suspension. *80 dollars per month =960 per year. 960 annual payment 12 % after tax compound yield 25 years to grow to $128,001 (22 years at 15% after tax yield) Rate This Message: http://www.cryonet.org/cgi-bin/rate.cgi?msg=13809