X-Message-Number: 13827
Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2000 16:37:50 -0400
From: James Swayze <>
Subject: Re: CryoNet #13812 - #13821
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> Message #13813
> Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2000 09:03:48 -0700
> From: Bryan <>
> Subject: Re: Pricing
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> Neuros need to generate much less money for the patient care trust
> because they use MUCH less LN2 to keep them frozen (because they are
> much smaller). The main ongoing cost is obviously retopping the dewars
> with LN2.
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> Best Regards,
> Bryan Hall
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I have a few stupid questions and you all may yell at me for not looking it all
up
elsewhere. Why does LN2 need to be topped off so much? Is it's molecule so small
it
leaks through the metal container? Or, are the seals not good enough? Why can't
it
be locked in? Will it not stay cold even if vacuum contained like a thermos
bottle?
Does it require constant replenishing to replace warmed LN2 with new cold LN2?
That
last one seems almost oxymoronic. ;)
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> Message #13814
> From: "John de Rivaz" <>
> Subject: Denial fo Freedom to French Freezer Family
> Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2000 12:04:47 +0100
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> I refer to the case where people claiming authority under French law are
> acting against the family with some of its members in a freezer. It is
> likely that any intervention by cryonicists may well elicit, under oath, the
> question and response that suggests that, as the deceased were frozen
> without perfusion, the chance of reanimation are substantially and orders of
> magnitude reduced.
>
> However if the *intention* for reanimation is there, denying any chance,
> however small, is part way along the road to the extermination of the sick
> against their will, ie compulsory euthanasia.
>
> This is an important freedom issue and I do hope that the Human Rights court
> prevails against those imposing their wills upon this family under the guise
> of the authority. (It a bit like the old con: "Do as I say because God
> speaks through me.")
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> Sincerely, John de Rivaz
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John, this is not directed at you, I'm responding to your message on the French
issue because it is the most convenient one addressing that subject. This is for
all who've expressed an interest in the plight of the two siblings.
I may be missing something but I got the impression these people were not
cryo/nicists/nauts/whatever but more close to mentally unbalanced and
dysfunctional. After all it was mentioned they wanted a glass front on the
freezer
so they could still gaze at mommie. Please excuse my sarcasm, too little sleep
too
much coffee. ;) However, spun the right way this could turn out to be a public
relations bonanza for cryonics. I'm sure you all see that potential. Must be
careful though, a skeleton could be lurking as this sounds so close to a certain
A.
Hitchcock Motel scenario.
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> Message #13815
> From: "John de Rivaz" <>
> Subject: Cryonics too costly? Not for most
> Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2000 12:36:59 +0100
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> I do not "have a fit" and indeed beleive that this subject should be debated
> from time to time so that new people can vote with their currency as to
> which method they chose. Mr Hoffman can state the case for spending your
> money on life insurance and I can state it for investing it with technology
> companies and profiting from the growth in technology that we all need for
> cryonics revivals.
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John, again thank you for a convenient launching platform for me. ;)
Just a gentle reminder to all. Some people *looks in the mirror* can't get
insurance to save their life, pun intended. Like as not they also will have
great
difficulty investing *still gazing at the mirror*. They may ardently wish to
continue on and enjoy the hope everyone else has but traditional means do not
apply. I have so often wished there was a job title called "Idea Man" or
"Problem
Solver" oh and here's a good one "Person capable of seeing connections not
traditionally recognized by others", perhaps even "Lateral Thinker" Gee, I wish
I
could get paid for these abilities. I wish there was a company that sought out
people of, shall we say, strained circumstance, for the sole purpose of
exploiting
their unique insight and paying them well for it. I wish... I wish...
My particular talent is being able to see things that don't yet exist in near
perfect 3D detail, instantly. Here's a free example. A shirt tail relative was
discussing inventiveness and problem solving with me one day. He presented me
with
a problem that bothered him, saying "If you could solve this you'd have a lot of
people wanting it". He happened to dislike turning the nut on a skill saw for
what
to him was an excessive number of turns while needing to hold the blade still.
He
wanted a quick on and off fastener that would hold properly, and well.....be
quick!
He probably thought I'd take months to work it out but instantly I saw in my
minds
eye a nut shaped, turned inside out, slot-thread-slot-thread, quarter turn to
tight, breech loading cannon, rear breech plug (in other words the nut turns
round
the shaft as opposed to the plug turning inside the barrel). Have the threads
tighten in the direction of rotation so rotation keeps it tight and even have a
spring loaded clasp that flips down over the nut, fitting into a keyway slot to
prevent turning, and protrudes from inside the center of the shaft, just for
safety
sake. Just like the cannon breech plugs the fitted slots-to-threads allow the
nut
to push straight on to meet the blade face and with one quarter turn all the
threads mesh and it is tight. Flip down the clasp and you are ready to go.
I don't think I am too far off the mark to think that someone that can do this
should have some value to someone somewhere. I can't be the only one that can do
this and other things that may be of non-traditional value either. Sure, I have
a
mechanical background and a natural aptitude towards it not to mention good
spatial
abilities but I can't discount how much my situation has forced me to be
inventive
just to survive. I wonder how many ideas are out there that aren't being
utilized
just from everyday people let alone the situationally challenged. Hmm, I might
have
just coined another euphemism for disabled. I like to think Differently Abled is
mine also but there's probably a few other claimants to that one. Well, I've
gotten
off the subject a little. I just wanted to spark some interest, evoke some
thought...whine a little too maybe. The thing is my step cousin never did
anything
with my idea. Was it just to quick and easy to be appreciated? Who knows. I
wasn't
then nor am I now in any position to exploit it. I certainly can't afford a
patent
attorney. So off the dusty shelf of my mind with it where it's resided with so
many
others. Maybe, if it's still viable and not already done, someone reading this
will
see merit in it. Perhaps even remember me. ;) I hope at least I may have
provoked
some thought about untapped resources.
James Swayze
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"Quod de futuris non est determinata omnino veritas"
NOSTRADAMUS 15TH Century
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