X-Message-Number: 13832 From: Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2000 10:36:19 EDT Subject: nitrogen boil-off James Swayze asked why we need to keep adding liquid nitrogen from time to time in the cryostats. Because it's cheaper than using a closed circuit and re-refirgerating the nitrogen. In an old-fashioned ice box, the ice gradually melts as heat leaks in, and must be replaced from time to time. Same principle--heat leak makes the nitrogen evaporate, and it is then vented. There do exist electric refrigerators operating at liquid nitrogen temperature, but their use would be much more expensive than the "ice box" style. Fred Chamberlain recently remarked that use of vitrification may require intermediate-temperature storage (higher than that of liquid nitrogen), employing mechanical refrigeration at higher cost, even though the heat leak is less at the higher temperature. Cryonics Institute also has on the boards a different approach to intermediate temperature storage, if and when that is indicated or an option--a passive system using liquid nitrogen but still holding the patient region at the desired temperature. Maintenance cost would not be higher, but capital cost would. Robert Ettinger Cryonics Institute Immortalist Society http://www.cryonics.org Rate This Message: http://www.cryonet.org/cgi-bin/rate.cgi?msg=13832