X-Message-Number: 13840 Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2000 00:30:43 -0400 From: "Stephen W. Bridge" <> Subject: Liquid Nitrogen To Cryonet From Steve Bridge June 4, 2000 In response to: Message #13827 Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2000 16:37:50 -0400 From: James Swayze <> Subject: Re: CryoNet #13812 - #13821 >I have a few stupid questions and you all may yell at me for not looking it all up >elsewhere. Why does LN2 need to be topped off so much? Is it's molecule so small it >leaks through the metal container? Or, are the seals not good enough? Why can't it >be locked in? Will it not stay cold even if vacuum contained like a thermos bottle? >Does it require constant replenishing to replace warmed LN2 with new cold LN2? That >last one seems almost oxymoronic. ;) Bob Ettinger's answer seems to address the higher-level part of James's question, but didn't fully explain the more elemental, physics part of it. Putting liquid nitrogen in a tightly-sealed container will eventually explode the container. We can only place liquids in sealed thermos bottles which are still liquids at room temperature. At room temperature, nitrogen is a gas, remember. No level of insulation will totally prevent heat from entering the system and converting the liquid to a gas. As gas is formed, it expands, and increases the outward pressure on the container. All containers which contain elements of liquified air (including nitrogen, oxygen, and helium) must be vented to prevent pressure build-up beyond the limits of the container. It doesn't have much to do with the size of the molecule. Better insulation can slow down the evaporation but not stop it. As the nitrogen gas is vented, more liquid must be added to keep the subjects immersed in the liquid. There have been occasional injuries (not in cryonics) from people carelessly or stupidly trying to put liquid nitrogen in a sealed container. One student at Un. of Alabama was blinded several years ago during a practical joke, where she filled a glass soft-drink bottle (with screw-on lid) with LN2 then ran down a hall with it. The bottle exploded. Helium is even harder to store, because its molecule IS small enough to tunnel through stainless steel. Steve Bridge Rate This Message: http://www.cryonet.org/cgi-bin/rate.cgi?msg=13840