X-Message-Number: 14192 Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 20:30:07 -0700 From: Lee Corbin <> Subject: Re: Real Survival Is Not Eternal Return Mike Perry in post #14183 has seemed to say that repeated experience is of no account. Regarding someone (I called Tom) in a previous post, who just parties and parties, and never really grows, yet who claims to be immortal---well, firstly, you'd concede that legally he'd be immortal. But, more philosophically, I do grant Tipler's point about the Bekenstein Bound (though I know it's controversial on this list). Let me ask you a hypothetical question, assuming that a person's body rushes through trillions of separate quantum states each second. Some neo-Nazis intend to duplicate a particularly heinous act that took place at a definite time in 1945, in which some small girl was tortured to death. By hypothesis, they have the technology to recreate the exact same sequence of quantum states that took place in the original horrible incident. Only the time and the location are different, as Ettinger and Clark would agree. So, physically, somewhere in America today a set of atoms identical to those in Europe so long ago undergoes precisely the same sequence of events. If I understand you correctly, then you do not object since the precise re-enactment cannot be said to be harming the little girl. Is that so? Lee Rate This Message: http://www.cryonet.org/cgi-bin/rate.cgi?msg=14192