X-Message-Number: 14697 From: Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2000 14:02:25 EDT Subject: standing waves & self circuit Henri Kluytmans has asked me to expand on the notion of standing waves in the brain as the basis for the "self circuit," my posited seat of feeling and sentience. First, reminders for those who have forgotten some elementary physics. A simple type of standing wave in two dimensions is a string between two supports, plucked vertically and released. Depending on length, tension, elastic characteristics, pluck point, and initial displacement, after plucking you might see a blur the extremes of which look something like this (I'm not sure how well this will reproduce): - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Or you might see several such blurs with nodes in between, instead of nodes only at the attached ends. The wave of lowest possible frequency f1 is called the fundamental or first harmonic. Those of higher frequencies, integral multuples of f, i.e. nf, are called 2nd harmonic, 3rd harmonic, etc. They are also called overtones, but it is also possible, e.g in membranes such as drums, to have overtones or oscillation modes that are not harmonics. The standing wave will have a definite frequency characteristic of each point of the string, but the amplitude of displacement will be zero at the nodes and maximum in between. Mathematically, the standing wave is equivalent to two waves traveling in opposite directions, superposed. If the standing wave is to be maintained, energy must be supplied to compensate for damping. It is also possible to produce temporary perturbations or modulations of the wave by appropriate applications of force. Now my suggestion is given only in crude, conceptual terms. The reality will doubtless be complicated, involving three dimensions and more than one medium. But it might conceivably help a little by suggesting to the experimentalists what to look for. An important point is that the standing wave does not and cannot exist at a single point or a single moment. It binds space and time, and has no meaning unless you look at a time interval of the magnitude of the period and a space interval of the magnitude of the wave length. A computer simulation could imply or describe that, but could not capture or constitute it--somewhat as a reporter could convey evidence of an emotion, but not the emotion itself. In fact, wave equations written down on paper imply the behavior of the string, but cannot substitute for it. So here is the nub of my suggestion. Feeling is rooted in standing waves in the brain. "You" (when not completely unconscious) are a particular standing wave, or set of such. The standing wave is your feeling of being. Modulations or perturbations of the standing wave(s) represent the CONTENT of feeling, or qualia, i.e. subjective experiences of something happening. The precise nature of these will of course depend on the brain's handling of sensory input, from the outside or from different regions of the brain. Robert Ettinger Cryonics Institute Immortalist Society http://www.cryonics.org Rate This Message: http://www.cryonet.org/cgi-bin/rate.cgi?msg=14697