X-Message-Number: 14769
From: "John de Rivaz" <>
References: <>
Subject: Re: CryoNet #14751 - #14760
Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 10:54:22 +0100

This seems flawed to me, and possibly also other examples given.

When you are in a car it is not only what you see that affects your model of
the world, but also what you feel (change in the directional part of
velocity as well as changes in speed). Any replicated person that only sees
and doesn't have other senses would indeed be different to the original.
You know if you are watching TV and it shows people in a car that you are
not in there with them, you are in your tv room.

If a person is in a closed vehicle with no windows (eg a lorry back) they
could well be sick as a result of such motion. People are often sea sick in
their cabins, but on deck they can be OK.


> Message #14759
> From: "George Smith" <>
> References: <>
> Subject: The subjective self in experience - important paradoxes
> Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2000 21:05:50 -0700
> Just one more example.  The next time you drive in a car ask yourself what
> do you actually SEE moving:  you or the scene outside the window?
>
> When you recognize that what you actually see is the WORLD moving, and NOT
> you, then think what would happen if you set up a upload program for
> personality which followed the commonly held cultural belief that the CAR
> and DRIVER is what is moving.
>
> Would the consciousness that resulted from such programming be considered
> "sane"?  I seriously doubt it.

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