X-Message-Number: 14846
Date: Sat, 04 Nov 2000 15:41:12 -0500
From: david pizer <>
Subject: Re: CryoNet #14832 - #14838

>From: Stasys Adiklis <>
>Subject: About Information (reply to Pizer, note to Ettinger)
>your examples seem to be incorrect. And I'll try to show your mistakes

Lots of snips throughout.  I'll try to keep this short.

>> When we think of information and the separate action of feeling the
>> information in this way,

>Now you just said that consciousness is actually an action of feeling
>the memories (information). That it is some kind of interaction between
>"standing wave" and those memories...

>> it is clear to us that the mind is separate from the memories.

>...and suddenly (and unbelievably) you claim that the very act of
>interaction between two things makes them separate.

Gasoline interacts with oxygen, they are not the same things.

Two molecules of gasoline can interact with each other, they are the same
type of gasoline but the two different molecules are not the same one thing.

I think identically constructed conscious things are separate even if they
have the same identical atomic structure, because of the nature of
consciousness, not the nature of abstract mathematical relations of
relevant space or relevant time.

Two identical brains (two brains with every atom identical and in the same
positional relation to each other atom) are still two separate persons
because each brain produces separate feelings of consciousness in two
different places in space. If they don't then they are not two separate

Let me try to put this in more clear argument form, so you can try to
attack any premise;

1.	One single working-brain is a unique, self-aware, continuing process, or
a mind.

2.	Two brains that are identical in structure produce two minds that think
(I'm not sure on this, but I'll give you it)

3.	Each mind is thinking in a different place in space.

4.	Two things that occupy two separate places in space cannot be the same

 Therefore two brains although identical to each other in structure, but
are in two separate places in space,  can not be the same person.

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