X-Message-Number: 15247 Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 16:51:19 -0500 (EST) From: Charles Platt <> Subject: Vitrification > It remains true that not a single instance of rewaming of a mammalian brain > from - 130 C or lower has ever been reported, formally or informally, to my > knowledge, whether by RF or any other method. Your own magazine published a detailed description of an experiment in which two rabbit brains were rewarmed from around -80, showing some evidence that they had vitrified, and virtually no evidence of damage. This work was a breakthrough in every sense. Nothing like it had been done before. Details in the electron micrographs of brain tissue were unprecedented. No cryobiology experiment had achieved such preservation of ultrastructure. Now, are you really going to use an arbitrary temperature target to suggest that this astonishing achievement isn't relevant? And if it is relevant, why didn't you mention it? I suggest the answer is that you are motivated by politics, not science, at this point. There is no other explanation for the one-sidedness of your presentations on the topic of vitrification. I am absolutely certain that if CI had conducted that rabbit experiment, you'd be presenting it as a major breakthrough, instead of quibbling that it wasn't quite cold enough to count. > Then Platt suggests that CI plans to pirate patents. Malicious and absurd. If you would have the courtesy of quoting my original text, everyone would be able to see that you are indulging one of your favorite occupations: misquoting someone, and then denouncing the person on this basis. I certainly did NOT suggest that CI would pirate anything. All I said is that CI does not have the automatic right to use other people's work protected by patents. > I have said repeatedly that, when convinced by the evidence of efficacy, we > will offer all available options to CI members at the best possible prices; And I have said repeatedly, that you will only be able to make this offer if you are allowed to do so, by the patent holders. Since you seem to be going out of your way, here, to say as many depractory things about them as possible, the negotiations (if they occur) should be interesting. Incidentally, you are well aware that companies can be blocked from using the results of research, because (as I understand it) this is precisely what you attempted to do yourself, when CI and Alcor paid a total of $50,000 to Olga Visser for an EXCLUSIVE license to her rat-heart resuscitating wonder-drug (also touted as a cure for AIDS for a brief period). Let us hope that the people at 21CM are a little more generous toward the cryonics community than you were, when you kept Visser's secret to yourselves. > And finally I suggest again to readers that they get their information about > CI and its work and views directly from our web site--which also has links to > Alcor and all the other cryonics organizations. I agree, your web site is a slightly more reliable source of information than your posts to CryoNet. Rate This Message: http://www.cryonet.org/cgi-bin/rate.cgi?msg=15247