X-Message-Number: 15392 From: "Jeff Grimes" <> Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 21:47:37 -0700 Subject: Procedures at Alcor and Cryonics Institute Having read CryoNet for a while, it seems the debate between Robert Ettinger and others boiled down to people complaining, "When you described the new procedures, you didn't describe them accurately." Well, duh! Of course he didn't! When someone stands up and says, "The procedures used by my competitors are not as good as they are cracked up to be," surely no one imagines he's going to give a balanced presentation. This is PR, not science. If it were science, we would have some way of finding the truth. But no one can find out whether one cryonics procedure is better than another, till we can start reviving the people who were frozen. Until then, it doesn't pay to take anyone's claims too seriously. Still there were some interesting aspects of the debate. What interested me is that Robert Ettinger spends all his time talking about other people's procedures, and NEVER EVER talks about his own organization's procedures. Doesn't this seem a bit odd? In fact, judging from CryoNet, no one seems to know what CI's procedures are. I wrote some emails myself to CI, and received some polite informative replies, which seemed to be sincere, although the fellow who wrote to me admitted that CI doesn't include all the information on its web site about the exact procedures that are used, and he seemed just a bit unsure about some details himself. So this is a very interesting situation. Ettinger starts spreading FUD (fear, uncertainty, and doubt, the old Microsoft technique) about his opponents. But no one turns it around against him, because no one seems to know what his organization is really doing. Why is this? Doesn't anyone WANT to know? Jeff Grimes. Get your free E-mail at http://www.zdnet.co.uk/mail/ Rate This Message: http://www.cryonet.org/cgi-bin/rate.cgi?msg=15392