X-Message-Number: 15543 From: Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 23:31:01 EST Subject: Asymptote One of our people referred me to the web site of a company called Asymptote, which makes equipment for freezing specimens for in-vitro fertilization.There is some exposition of both freezing and vitrification. The brief section on vitrification says the approach is promising but still experimental (even for embryos, apparently, although some laboratories have reported good survival), and the high levels of additives are potentially cytotoxic. It also says practical problems include that of devitrification during thawing *or storage.* It did not say at what temperature devitrification (ice crystal formation) might occur during storage. Their own technology apparently involves freezing, not vitrification, and leads to good results. An interesting point, not seen or even contradicted in some discussions, is that (for their particular application at least) it is BETTER if ice forms sooner. If supercooling occurs with glycerol protection, for example--ice forming only at lower temperatures--then there may be more damage than if ice forms sooner at higher temperatures. In fact, they deliberately seed the solutions to make ice form sooner. I won't go into the reasons for this just now, since it's getting late. Robert Ettinger Cryonics Institute Immortalist Society http://www.cryonics.org Rate This Message: http://www.cryonet.org/cgi-bin/rate.cgi?msg=15543