X-Message-Number: 15645
From: "Jeff Grimes" <>
Subject: Another Answer!
Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 15:32:51 +0000


Mr. Ettinger has provided some important information, while accidentally or 
deliberately misquoting me:

> He again 
> mentioned Fred Chamberlain's allusion to an alleged CI patient who spent 3 

> weeks in water ice. Aside from the fact that such information, if it existed,

> could not have been ethically obtained by anyone outside of CI or the family,
> I had already explicitly answered Fred--there was no such case. The closest 
> thing to it was a case where a local funeral director kept a patient for 
> roughly that period in dry ice, while the family dealt with the decision and 
> finances and paperwork.


I didn't say anything about water ice. I don't know anything about that, and I 
don't care about that. I said that Chamberlain claimed a CI "patient" had 
actually taken three weeks to move from deathbed to laboratory. I asked if this 
was true.


Mr. Ettinger now says: Yes, it's true, it took about that long. (Read his post 
carefully. The admission is in there.)


So, we now have a number for ONE of the past four CI cases. If we can get the 
hours (or days!) for the other three cases, I can drop another question from my 
list.


Incidentally I don't make any judgment about whether the three-week wait was 
anyone's fault. Ettinger has said there were problems with the family of the 
deceased. I'm sure he's right. All I pointed out is that CI complains about the 
Alcor times for transporting people, while not revealing its own times. That's 
all!

Well, now we have a time for one CI case: Three weeks.


I'm sure the other recent cases must have moved more quickly than this, so, why 
not tell us how long they took?

Jeff Grimes.

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