X-Message-Number: 15645 From: "Jeff Grimes" <> Subject: Another Answer! Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 15:32:51 +0000 Mr. Ettinger has provided some important information, while accidentally or deliberately misquoting me: > He again > mentioned Fred Chamberlain's allusion to an alleged CI patient who spent 3 > weeks in water ice. Aside from the fact that such information, if it existed, > could not have been ethically obtained by anyone outside of CI or the family, > I had already explicitly answered Fred--there was no such case. The closest > thing to it was a case where a local funeral director kept a patient for > roughly that period in dry ice, while the family dealt with the decision and > finances and paperwork. I didn't say anything about water ice. I don't know anything about that, and I don't care about that. I said that Chamberlain claimed a CI "patient" had actually taken three weeks to move from deathbed to laboratory. I asked if this was true. Mr. Ettinger now says: Yes, it's true, it took about that long. (Read his post carefully. The admission is in there.) So, we now have a number for ONE of the past four CI cases. If we can get the hours (or days!) for the other three cases, I can drop another question from my list. Incidentally I don't make any judgment about whether the three-week wait was anyone's fault. Ettinger has said there were problems with the family of the deceased. I'm sure he's right. All I pointed out is that CI complains about the Alcor times for transporting people, while not revealing its own times. That's all! Well, now we have a time for one CI case: Three weeks. I'm sure the other recent cases must have moved more quickly than this, so, why not tell us how long they took? Jeff Grimes. Rate This Message: http://www.cryonet.org/cgi-bin/rate.cgi?msg=15645