X-Message-Number: 1571 Date: 10 Jan 93 14:55:30 EST From: David S Pizer <> Subject: CRYONICS. Reply to Saul's questons to Keith Dear Saul: Recently you asked Keith (on the Cryonet) if there were any other Board, or regular, members who thought "my involvement was a threat to Alcor." I think there are some Board Members and many regular members who would answer yes to this, in their own minds, but would not want to be publicly recognized. I am going to make some comments below and I hope you will accept them in the friendly and constructive manner they are intended and will not begain another attack one me. (First of all I must mention that you probably get some of your other feedback from close friends, or people you help financially, and so you may not be getting an accurate picture of how other Alcor people view you.) I think asking if people view you as a "Threat" is the wrong question. You might want to ask if people are concerned with your ideas, actions and (percieved) power. The answer to that would be yes. Let me give you a few examples. Recently, in reply to earlier points you brought up in public, Scott Herman asked you to give your explanation to early events and your involvement in the Cryonics Society of New York and Cryospan. You avoided answering his questions by asking him more questions and also by saying that you had already told Charles Platt. Neither of these responses was very satisfying. Especially in the light that Charles has stated that his book, if he ever gets in published, will be a vehicle to show cryoincs in a positive and optimistic light. I think you should answer Scott's questions now. Especially since Mike Perry's data (or opinions) shows that there were 7 patients lost by these organizations. I belive people would like answers to these questions, NOT to humiliate you, but to try to know if you have really learned from previous disasters. Another example is the Dick Jones legal matter. You never have fully admitted that you made major mistakes in the matter. I think you should do this in order to show people that you realize mistakes you have made in the past and therefore are less likely to repeat them. We lost over $400,000 in this disaster. Another example of a mistake you made that I have personal knowledge about is you starting your war on Carlos right in the middle of the fund raising project for the new building in Phoenix. I can not prove it, but I feel that we would have raised the money for that project if you would have put off your war for a few months as I asked you to do. The real estate market has gone up and it would now cost us about $500,000 more to replace the building we lost. I also agree with Keith that your involvement with the FDA could cause us some problems. I do not think that winning your case is going to be as easy as you have suggested in some of your writings and your Life Extension Newsletter. It appears to me that you may be making the same miscalculations that you made in the Dick Jones legal battle. There are other concerns I have, I have only mentioned the few above to answer your questions to Keith. I realize this kind of criticism is normally reserved for private submission. However you raised the issues in a public forum and therefore I am answering in the same. I do NOT think you should remove your involvement in Alcor. I think you should reduce you high profile until after a final decision is made with the FDA. I think you, and all of us who want to survive, should continue to submit ideas, work hard and donate money. But Saul, please be more receptive to people with counter-ideas to your own. Saul, you are a nice person and I really do like you. And, of course, you are not a threat to Alcor, however some of your ideas are. Let's all work more closely in the future. Respcectfully submitted, David Pizer. Rate This Message: http://www.cryonet.org/cgi-bin/rate.cgi?msg=1571