X-Message-Number: 15939
From: 
Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 06:23:45 EST
Subject: Cryonics vs. God promise

Cryonics vs god

This message comes from some thinkings after reading the "Fitz" presentation 
in the Immortalist issue of Jan. Feb. 2001.

For many, when the hour has come, any afterlife is in the hands of God. At 
the end of time, all souls must live again. Cryonics is another brand: It is 
a gamble on comming technologies. The time involved is on the century scale, 
may be one or two.

Can we test in the same way the God's promise? When will came the end of 
time? Surrely, some will tell you it is for the next day or month, but can we 
try to get a more firm value?

The first epoch is when the equilibrium between oceans and atmosphere will 
break down, the temperature may get very hot, in a venus-like way. This will 
be in one billion year. Well, big technological solutions could be found so 
that Earth would remains a livable planet far beyond that epoch. This is not 
the end of time. This next stop is five billions of years aways when the Sun 
will exhaust its hydrogen fuel in its center, it will ten expand into a red 
giant and our world will be vaporized. There may be some technological 
remedies to that, for example mixing the Sun mass with a brown dwarf impact. 
Some billions of tons of quark nuggets could turn our star into a fully 
convective body and the energy source would then last for more than 500 
billion of years. This is not the end of time...

The next step is when all stars will have burned their hydrogen, this is the 
start of the dark age of the Galaxy. This put us al least ten trillion of 
year from now. This is not the end of story because gravitational potential 
energy could  be extracted from bodies spiraling towards black holes. The 
same technology would permit the production of beamed energy for interstellar 
travels. The next stop would then be a big crunch of the Universe horizon. 
Our universe expands coutinuously and its observable limit recedes at the 
speed of light. At any time, a big mass may enter our horizon limit and 
produce anuniverse collapse: The Big Crunch. Given the mesured smootness of 
the large scale mass in the universe, a collapsing mass can't enter our 
horizon before one billion of billions of years or 10^18yrs. This is the 
first possible end of time. That is so the minimum time you would have to 
wait to see the God's promise.
Do you want to bet on 10^18 years? Well, this is not very long if we see it 
against eternity, on the other hand it seems very long as seen against 
cryonics alternative. How could two so different things could even put on the 
same choice list?

Yvan Bozzonetti.

Rate This Message: http://www.cryonet.org/cgi-bin/rate.cgi?msg=15939