X-Message-Number: 16084 Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 21:59:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Scott Badger <> Subject: The Identity Issue ... Again Hi gang, I enjoy it when I see TV shows deal with the identity issue. Tonight I watched "Farscape" on the Sci-Fi channel. One of the main charaters (Chrighton) was "twin-ed" or "doubled". And the two versions ran into each other at the end of the show, neither knowing which was the original and which was the copy. Each of them desired to know, however. So the final scene showed the two playing the old child's game of rock, paper, & scissors. But neither could win or lose because they kept making the exact same choices. Both would choose paper, then both would choose rock, then both would choose paper ... and fade to credits ... I've resolved this issue to my satisfaction for the most part. Let's say that 24 hours from now, there will be a .01% difference between the information pattern of me now and the information pattern of me then. OK? Now let's compare that to a situation in which a copy of me is created and in 24 hours is found to be .01% different from the original. Is there is substantive difference between the copy changing .01% and the original changing .01%? Only in the sense that they may diverge from the original in different directions. It's just a matter of time and space, isn't it? As time passes, my brain alters its structure ... So from one moment to the next, I'm a new person by just a hair. The reason this is a conundrum for so many people is because we are thinking in 3 dimensions. We are confined by our 3 dimensional existence. Imagine for the moment that you can see into the past and into the future just as easily as you can see in the 3 dimensional world we're used to. If we could see through time as well as we see through space it would be clear whether a future entity was contiguous to a previous entity or whether it was a splintering-off of the original. There would be no need to play rock, paper, and scissors if we could see through time. I am no more concerned about being copied (twin-ed or doubled) and losing the original in the process than I am waking up tomorrow from a deep sleep. As the politicians might say ... It's the information, stupid. I should mention that George Smith's attempt (#16051) to resolve the identity issue is still off the mark, IMO. He appears to have suggested that since an initial version of you and a later version of you both wish to avoid death then there is no substantive difference between the two versions of you. We all avoid death. That doesn't make us all the same. A copy of me is going to be just as avoidant of death as I am and yet one is the original and one is the copy. The survival instict is not a suitable criterion to resolve the identity issue, IMO. Of course I could be wrong ... It is rather late and I'm tired. Best regards, Scott Badger "Vita Perpetuem" __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ Rate This Message: http://www.cryonet.org/cgi-bin/rate.cgi?msg=16084