X-Message-Number: 16144
Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2001 21:25:44 +0100
From: Philip Rhoades <>
Subject: Bush stuff - becoming off-topic but anyway . . 

> > Message #16135 Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 23:51:56 -0400
> > From: James Swayze <>
> > Subject: Shrub could be serious threat to our plans
> >
> > George W. has shot his mouth off and pissed off the one country it would
> > be most in our interest to befriend if only for the shear numbers they
> > outnumber us by. In fact all of Asia is upset.
> >
> > http://home-news.excite.com/news/ap/international/china-us-reaction
> >
> > China, Asia Upset on Bush Comments
> >
> > Updated: Thu, Apr 26 2:48 PM EDT By JOHN LEICESTER, Associated Press Writer
> > BEIJING (AP)
> >
> > China accused President Bush on Thursday of taking the United States down
> > a "dangerous road" with pronouncements about American resolve to defend
> > Taiwan.  Bush's comments that the United States can use military force in
> > Taiwan's defense sparked a wave of concern Thursday across Asia.  Beijing
> > said Bush had further harmed China-U.S.  ties, already strained by a spy
> > plane standoff and a U.S. offer of arms for Taiwan. (continued)
> >
> > Couldn't he wait at least for the spy plane incedent to die down? Idiot!
> > Put brain in gear before mouth Shrubbie!
>
>I am anything but a defender of the fool in the White House,but I believe
>that anything that is bad for the Chinese Communist Party is good for the
>human species,and anything that is good for the Chinese Communist Party is
>bad for the human species.
>
>A China that is controlled by a bloody-handed one-party dictatorship is
>one no one should oblige.
>
>I fail to see how appeasing the dictators is a particular priority for
>cryonics or immortalism...indeed,I favor withholding serious research
>efforts on longevity from China until the Communists have fallen(the
>verifiable centenarian density there is apparently not that great even
>though there have been extreme claims),and counsel patience.
>
>If it makes you feel any better,much of what Bush "approved" was
>empty talk...the diesel submarines he said could be sold,in fact
>can not be built.

Consistency is what is needed to make sensible, honest decisions . .

The island of Taiwan is part of China - the fact that the losing side in a 
civil war retreated there makes no difference - nor does the fact that one 
may not like the regime of the winning side.

How would someone in Washington feel that if, after the southern US states 
lost the US civil war, the losers retreated to one state and set up a new 
nation there with the help of some superior outside military force, such 
that the situation could not be changed? - I think it would not be popular 
in the north . . but that is exactly what you are supporting in the 
China/Taiwan situation.

The US goes to war at the drop of a hat when it considers its national 
(commercial) interest is at stake eg oil in Iraq - but won't defend small 
countries that should be defended eg East Timor against Indonesia because 
RealPolitiks is involved.  In the Iraq situation it was obviously more 
complicated than just one issue though - the US led Iraq to believe it was 
alright to invade Kuwait so then they could  behave like the cavalry coming 
to the rescue . . not to mention the fact that they could test out a few 
new weapons in a live situation, against a previously supported (but now 
unpopular) ally . .

Phil.

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