X-Message-Number: 16190 From: "john grigg" <> Subject: the sins of nations and other topics... Date: Fri, 04 May 2001 05:05:27 Hello everyone, Cryonet has really taken off lately! I have read much of the old archives and I think these are among the best of times for the cryonics movement. When you take into consideration the development of vitrification, the Timeship project, the Venturist project, Alcor's upgrade plan and the recent birthing of Kryos with Shaun Russell and Mike Darwin at the helm, well folks, this has to be the best time ever for cryonics!! I just dearly hope and pray none of these worthy projects come to naught as sometimes happens so painfully here. It is so good to see Mike Darwin posting in detail on what he knows best. Thinking about Mike help start up and helm a new cryonics company makes me remember a dog I used to have who would relish tearing into any steak I gave him. It is only right for a person to engage in work which they love. Mike Darwin will help "keep things real" here on the list. Louis Epstein wrote: No one yet has explained how the internal structure of a body is better preserved by freezing in a dewar/cryostat than by "Modern Mummification". Any takers? (end) I would also like to read a good answer to this question. I always assumed chemical fixation lead to VASTLY more damage to the brain. Louis, you certainly do like to respond to the various posters and topics! Based on how you respond to so much here I think the extrolist might kill you from typing exhaustion! lol :) Seeing the name Epstein made me wonder how Joanna Epstein is doing? I still remember her post describing her very challenging situation. I wrote: >I think bullies should be stood up to... Matthew Malek wrote: >I agree! Bullies _should_ be stood up to! >So....... who is going to stand up to the United States of America? I would be the first to admit the U.S. has done some very bad things(murderous meddlings in the americas, etc.) and at times continues to do so. We are certainly not without blame and have some blood on our hands. I do think though you see conspiracy(purposeful bombing of Japanese outpost, etc.) where there is none. The communist mainland Chinese gov't is a tyranny lacking most of the self-corrective abilities of even our limited democracy which has sadly been subverted to an extent by big business, soft money and an apathetic public. Their own news media and public is so gagged by fear and direct rule of the communist state(and secret police) that the leadership can mostly do as they please. And what pleases them is to run roughshod over even the rights of their own people. Look at not just the bad but also the good our own nation has brought to the world. I realize it's easier to be negative then positive. But, our power limiting constitution, our technological advances, our focus on public education for all, our democratic example to tyrannies, our ability(with prodding I admit) to change bad laws and social institutions and our military victories(cold and hot and with help from allies like the British and Australians) over political cancers like nazism and soviet communism have made this world a far better place. In some ways we have been a great example and inspiration to the world. How would our communist neighbor behave if they alone in the world had our level of economic and military power?? Just the thought is pretty terrifying... I am grateful to be a citizen of the United States. Matthew, I believe you are also due to all the blessings and opportunities it provides(like a good education). And yet, I do agree SO MUCH needs to be done to make the U.S. a nation which truly lives up to it's ideals and does not exploit other nations or it's own people. So, I see your concerns as an act of patriotism. Are we like two young Romans at the height of the empire debating whether we are destroyers or creators? I hope not... best wishes, John _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com Rate This Message: http://www.cryonet.org/cgi-bin/rate.cgi?msg=16190