X-Message-Number: 16250 From: "John de Rivaz" <> Subject: European Cryonics Support Group Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 15:50:35 +0100 Various postings about Alcor and foreign-to-US members on cryonet haven't mentioned the European Cryonics Support Group recently. It also has an attendant email list to which you can subscribe by sending a blank email to Unlike Alcor US's list and site, which as its name suggests is for Alcor people, this group is intended to support cryonicists of all providers. In addition its Chair will try and stop people arguing and squabbling at meetings and on the Internet. It should be remembered that only fools fight in burning houses, and we are all housed in bodies made of a substance that is slowly burning in the oxygen needed to provide energy for life. [That is if you believe in the free radical theory of ageing.] ESCG's web site is http://www.cryonics-europe.org and I have invited articles from both providers who offer, or have offered, or may offer again, services in the UK. Hopefully one day Kryos will make a third and thereby offer the people of the UK and the rest of Europe a real choice in what cryopreservation services suits them, based on their financial and family situations and perception of the risk/reward ratios of what is available. It is time that the movement as a whole accepts that there are differences of opinion, and focuses on practicalities and constructive ideas. Unless someone can get cryopreserved and time travel back, as the main character in Heinlein's The Door into Summer, no one really knows whether various procedures work or will not work, whether certain expenses and complications are necessary and so on. It is all a matter of opinion. It is also a matter of opinion whether it is sensible to try and move your life to be next door to a facility or instead carry on where you are and make the best with a distance service. It is impossible to make that choice for others. What is right for one will be wrong for another. Whether Alcor becomes a US only service, or an Arizona only service or a Scottsdale only service or for that matter an Acoma Drive only service is up to them, ie whatever their directors and membership decide according to their by laws and constitution. If they decide to offer a limited range service of some sort or another the ECSG will continue to advise its members what is available and how they could move their lives to wherever they need to go if they should consider such an option suits them. Whereas the ECSG internet site welcomes views and questions from people who are not signed up with anyone, they need to be sensibly put. A bit of humour is fine, but grossly insulting someone only attracts insults in return and then many people turn away. Sincerely, John de Rivaz my homepage links to Longevity Report, Fractal Report, music, Inventors' report, an autobio and various other projects: http://www.geocities.com/longevityrpt http://www.autopsychoice.com - http://www.cryonics-europe.org - http://www.porthtowan.com _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com Rate This Message: http://www.cryonet.org/cgi-bin/rate.cgi?msg=16250