X-Message-Number: 16342
Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 19:44:04 -0700
From: Olaf Henny <>
Subject: Meat Beings & Cryonics in the EU
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Louis Epstein wrote:

>> Meat Beings
>> Imagine if you will... the leader of the fifth invader force
>> speaking to the commander in chief...
>> "They're made out of meat."
>> "Meat?"
>> "Meat. They're made out of meat."

>[As I gather,this is taken from a previously
>published work though not here bylined]

It was sent to me without accreditation by a joke service I
subscribe to.  I thought it represented a lighter view of the
the cyber vs flesh discussions on this forum.

>> I think the recent controversy about cryonicists, who feel
>> orphaned  in the UK indicates clearly, that the time has come to
>> consider a full service cryonics facility in the EU.
>> -   France, although reasonably centrally located, is out because
>>     of its anti-cryonics legislation.
>> -   UK appears to have the most cryonicists at this time, but is
>>     located at the periphery of the EU

>They're both equally far west!

France one of the five most populous countries in the EU is
surrounded by the other four as follows:

 (starting on your top left)    :)
NE: Germany
SE: Italy
SW: Spain (and Portugal)

That is pretty central, I would think.  But it is also moot, because
of the legal situation vs cryonics there

>> My choice would be Holland.  It has good access from all
>> directions and, more importantly, it has not only quietly
>> condoned euthanasia for decades, but has recently legalized it
>> for its citizens.  I am not sure if citizens from other EU
>> countries can obtain the same privilege after establishing
>> residency there.

>I'll assert again...the mindset that welcomes euthanasia
>is not an immortalist one but a mortalist one. They believe
>that lives should end.A marriage-of-convenience with
>cryonics is risky,just as the notion of piggybacking on
>right-to-lifers' desire to preserve embryos to advance
>cryosuspension research is.

That is not how I view the  mind set  in Holland.
The tenor in their legislations, be it in terms of sexual or
drug policies, has always seemed to me one of tolerance
toward the choice of the individual.  That is something
cryonics absolutely requires during its early pre-
mainstream phase.


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