X-Message-Number: 1638 Date: 18 Jan 93 17:46:34 EST From: MICHAEL RISKIN <> Subject: CRYONICS If there is any single reason future generations wont want to thaw us out and give us unlimited life, it will because they have read cryonet mail in the 20th century, and came to the correct conclusion that cryonicists were no more evolved than the "Joe six packs" so readily defamed in 1993 email. Why would a future generation, capable of reversing the aging process, growing snazzy new bodies for our suspended brains, and possibly totally aware that cooperative effort and acknowledging ones own mistakes were among the primary conditions for quality life, want any of us? No matter what the controversial or political issue may be,individual leadership would have you believe the facts are stacked 100 % in support of their position and that the only mistake these sainted beings ever made was to be unwittingly misled by the other side, who of course besides being dead wrong about THEIR facts are also lowly, contemptible, and immoral, besides suffering from mental illness. Our leaders... hah! Shame on the lot of you. And it is getting worse . It would be nice to think that we had learned something after the Carlos debacle. Imagine...Mike Darwin likening the opposition to cowards and scoundrels, and Ralph Whelan (who wasnt even the opposition) writing "Mike (Darwin) has written an article that is a gross travesty of half truths and selective memory...." and Keith Henson concluding that Ralph wasnt man enough to stand up to threats, and Saul saying "I find the jealousy and arrogance displayed by Keith utterly outrageous", and Dave Pizer , writing to Saul, " You have never fully admitted that you made major mistakes in the (Dick Jones) matter" and on she goes ending (starting?) with personal attacks on Carlos, who has been known to make one or two uncomplementary remarks about Mike. Ah, the circle is complete. And orbiting about is Paul Wakfer , maligned by many, currently aligned with Mike and Saul . Here is my want list for 1993. From: Mike (I've been done dirty) Darwin- "I have some personal shortcomings that occassionally lead to less than effective leadership." Carlos (Call me martyr) Mondragon "I sometimes open mouth before engaging brain and say something inappropriate." Paul (If it aint libertarian, waste it) Wakfer-"I was wrong about something once." Keith (hit em harder) Henson- "There was once an incident in my life where I slightly altered the facts to prove a point." Ralph (I aint no wimp) Whelan-"As hard as I try, my emotions sometimes interfere with my objectivity." Dave (I'm really a pussycat) Pizer-"I act tough, but am really scared, and that colors my judgment." Saul (It's just cause I care) Kent- "From time to time, I may have motives that arent necessarily clear." I am hoping the current"Saul, what really happened in N.Y." and the responses therewith, do not signal the start of further polarization among us. So , it's 2093, and Joe six pack is watching super bowl 127. Do you think he's gonna help the cryonicists thaw us out based on what history will say abou us? Rate This Message: http://www.cryonet.org/cgi-bin/rate.cgi?msg=1638