X-Message-Number: 16496 From: Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2001 07:25:28 EDT Subject: Re: Show me God Louis Epstein said: << But there has to be an answer to "why are there laws of physics?" that isn't just a ducking of the question. I call that answer God. >> I am a nihilist, so my answer is the global Universe is merly emptyness. The negative energy potential of gravitational field cancel any positive mass-energy. Even the zero point energy of empty space seems canceled by a negative energy cosmological constant. Everything we see is a transient effect produced by the finite age of our portion of the Universe, that is to say, we are near a black hole horizon in cosmological term. Physical laws come from some very simple principles: Energy conservation, second law of thermodynamics... All can be traced back to the near horizon effect. Black Magic ( computed logical systems on a reversible computing device, for example a quantum computer) evade these constrains. It is horizon blind and that is why it can cheat any physical law. There is no law, no first causal principle, nothing. Now if you want a God, I can build one : Our "Universe", as bounded by electromagnetism goes from 1.6 x 10^-33 cm, the so called Planck length(Pl) and 10^-43 Planck time (Pt) to cosmological scale and time near 16 billions ligth years. A system bounded by electromagnetic forces, with group symetry U(1) may at most convert 1/137th of its rest mass into energy, this define the so called alpha fine structure constant. Think of the symetry U(1) x U(1), it is not more complex that going from 1=1 to 1x1=1 with numbers. The E.M. force breaks at a scale exp(1/alpha), that is near 10^59. You can think of a first EM field with speed limit c 10^59 time slower than our. The unit of space , the Planck length would then be some 10^38 ly, the Pt would be 9. 10^97 years. and any sensible time duration would be in excess of 10^120 to 140 years. This is near eternity for our Universe. So, now you know where to search for God at least... That could be the basis for the religious part in venturism... Yvan Bozzonetti. Rate This Message: http://www.cryonet.org/cgi-bin/rate.cgi?msg=16496