X-Message-Number: 16525
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 14:04:07 +0000 ()
From: Louis Epstein <>
Subject: Refrigerators,Posting Habits,and Homosexuality

On 13 Jun 2001, CryoNet wrote:

> ---------------------------------------------------------------
> Message #16521 From: "Joseph W. Morgan" <>
> Subject: Cryogenic Refrigerators
> 
> Closed-cycle cryogenic refrigerators would eliminate the need for a
> continuous, expensive, and vulnerable supply of bottled liquid nitrogen.  
> 
> However, this approach has its own problems.  No liquid nitrogen would
> be required but an electrical outage or refrigerator failure could be a
> disaster.  
> 
> Reliability could be enhanced with back-up power supplies, redundant
> refrigeration systems, computer monitoring, and an emergency liquid
> nitrogen bottle.
> 
> I assume economics rather then engineering is the obstacle.
> 
> Comments?

I'd just point out that I had thought
already,in response to Mike Perry's
remarks on cemetery regulations being
burdensome for cryonics providers
trying to fit into that mold,that some
form of "pressurized water reactor"
analogue might be the means of having
a satisfactorily "sealed" interment
chamber.

(This alludes to the form of nuclear
power reactor that has a closed coolant
loop in the reactor itself,an external
coolant loop in which heat is exchanged;
rather than the "boiling water reactor"
in which the cooling water that passes
through the reactor itself,like the
cooling nitrogen in a dewar,is evaporated).

This closed-cycle-refrigerator model is
the same...if this could be used as an
in-ground mausoleum format,I think the
obstacle to being a "cemetery" where bodies
are kept in revivable form for religious
purposes may be overcome.

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> Message #16523 Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 21:55:14 -0700
> From: Lee Corbin <>
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Say would all of you who imitate Louis Epstein, and
> so include numerous headers in your email (are you
> too lazy to delete them?)  could you please delete
> the dotted lines like
> 
> > ----------------------------------------------------
> 
> if you MUST respond to thirty people in one long,
> enormous post?  It makes it so hard to read, and
> so hard to skip past---i.e., to know where one
> post starts and stops.

From my perspective,I think that
including the headers,so you know
who I'm responding to,and shortened
dividing lines,so you know when I
switch to answering another post,
are positive features to be encouraged.

If you answer lots of people without
such differentiation,it gets more
confusing.

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> Message #16524 From: 
> Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 01:12:03 EDT
> 
> In a message dated 6/12/01 9:12:16 PM, Louis Epstein writes:
> 
> >The PF are for Parents and Friends;the group is dedicated to confusing
> >affection for those with the condition with the condition being in no 
> >way deplorable.
> 
> I'd like to state publicly that if anyone ever tries to "cure" or "correct" 
> my "condition", ie, homosexuality, even with "affection" for me, in any 
> circumstance, be it while living, or during revival or reconstruction from 

> suspension, should that ever occur, I would view that as murder of my person.
>  I am who I am, not whom you would want me to be. I do what I do, not what 
> you would want me to do.  Louis Epstein, and likeminded bigoted myopic 
> misanthropes, are my worst nightmare. 

Again with the tired circle-the-wagons
claim of the gay-pride crowd that if
one acknowledges that the condition is
a deficiency,one is a "bigot" who hates
persons with the condition.

I am NOT a bigot...I am,however,somewhat
myopic...which after all means nearsighted.
I am nearsighted enough that my driver's
license requires me to wear corrective
lenses,so that I can see signs and so forth
the way normal people's eyes do.My eyes
have something wrong with them,and I have
to be able to conform to norms,or not 
partake in the activities permitted to
those who can.

I fully acknowledge that my myopia is
something that is wrong with me.I am in
no way "bigoted" against nearsighted 
people.On the contrary,it would be people
who loudly proclaimed that their equal
rights were being violated by being
required to wear glasses at times,who
demanded that eye surgery to correct
nearsightedness and genetic research
aimed at extirpating the causes be banned,
who I would regard as being unreasonable.

A trait that would doom the species if
it were universal is clearly a deficiency.

> I spent many years learning to be myself, and to like myself, in the face
> of a society that did not accept homosexuality- provided no positive role
> models, nurturing, or condoning of stable relationships.

You still haven't learned to face that 
your homosexuality is something that's 
wrong with you.It's not healthy to think
that there is nothing wrong with you...
we all have flaws.

Homosexuality does not define a person's
character or worth.It does not devalue
achievements.But taken in isolation it 
is clearly a flaw.My left ear does not
hear "differently" than my right ear,it
hears WORSE.All traits are not created
equal.

The role models homosexuals need are
celibate!

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