X-Message-Number: 16538 Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 10:34:24 +0000 () From: Louis Epstein <> Subject: Replies to CryoNet #16528 - #16535 On 14 Jun 2001, CryoNet wrote: > ---------------------------------------------------- > Message #16528 Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 15:03:05 -0400 > From: Jeffrey Soreff <> > Subject: choice, bones, PFLAG > > On Wed, 6 Jun 2001 Louis Epstein wrote: > > >I haven't seen a modification proposed yet that wasn't disturbingly > >radical.I think I have mentioned some types that would be reasonable, > >as strengthening bones,for example. > > Well, that is something, at least... > > On Sat, 9 Jun 2001 Louis Epstein wrote: > > >The PF are for Parents and Friends;the group is dedicated to confusing > >affection for those with the condition with the condition being in no way > >deplorable. > > Wince. Not content with restricting what people's bodies will be, > but also deploring how people use them, too? Do you realize how > ludicrous this looks? In principle,it's not ludicrous at all. All societies have standards of conduct. You just differ with mine. > Which ice cream flavors do you deplore? Anything with dough,bubble gum,or marshmallows, for starters...as a rule anything too complex. I point out the "deplore" does not necessarily mean "legislate against"...one should be cautious before declaring a fool to be a criminal.But you needn't be shy about affirming that he is a fool. Past vanilla,chocolate,coffee,mint,strawberry, and cherry,and chocolate-chip versions of each of them,I don't think I'd be moved to seek additional ice cream flavors. > ----------------------------------- > Message #16529 From: > Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 18:17:37 EDT > > My daughter will be a freshman at U of Arizona in Tucson this fall. Is the > Alcor facility still located in Tucson? If so, is it near the university? > In my frequent 'roadtrips' to my future 'vacation spot', I would like to > visit it. It's in Scottsdale,isn't it? And was it ever elsewhere in Arizona? > ---------------------------------------------------- > Message #16533 Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 21:37:28 -0700 > From: Mike Perry <> > Subject: diversophobia > > Mike Donahue (#16524) calls attention to the following from Louis Epstein: > > > >The PF are for Parents and Friends; the group is dedicated to confusing > > >affection for those with the condition with the condition being in no > > >way deplorable. > > Though not homosexual myself, I strongly disagree with those who consider > the condition in some intrinsic way deplorable. The future should offer > more options all around, and, I suspect, will show ever greater diversity > in what was formerly the (merely) human population. Those who have problems > now with people who are "different" may have more than ever in the future. I have already noted what I consider the disturbing school of thought that worships diversity as a good in itself rather than accepting it as a condition that has problems to overcome.(And noted that diversity-worshippers have a knee-jerk opposition to diversity of opinion on the value of diversity). It is regress,not progress, for consensus on standards to disintegrate.And I regret refusal to face the functionally deficient nature of sexuality directed toward persons of one's own sex. > ---------------------------------------------------- > Message #16534 Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 01:47:05 -0400 > From: Deathist Lurker Girl <> > Subject: Marketing cryonics [Almost turning into a Deathist Poster Girl now,isn't she?] [Not meaning poster girl for Deathism but who posts,etc...] > However, a major stumbling block to me is the seeming lack of a warm, > welcoming community of cryonicists who seem genuinely interested in > "evangelizing" cryonics, *yet at the same time* are respectful of the > rights of others to decline their chance at immortality. The overall > approach being something like, "You're fine just the way you are, and we > accept your right to make your own choices, but we have something we think > is very desirable, and we'd like to tell you more about it..." When you're trying to get the attention of someone floating along on a river that is headed for a monstrous waterfall, I don't think a soft sell is going to do it.When people are acculturated to something being inevitable,your offering of something radically different has to grab their attention. A cultivated hostility to mortality is what drives many immortalists,and an attitude that this doesn't really matter doesn't mesh very well.Again,this is a case where most people here are closer to the DLG than to me,but I have noted my intense opposition to people deliberately choosing death.Death is our ENEMY, whatever Daniel Callahan may tell you... Nicholas Albery,of course,is already "happily" turning to compost. > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Message #16535 From: > Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 04:37:13 EDT > Subject: Re: GOD > > << >... > >God is the highest order of infinity,the ultiverse/multiverse/universe is > >infinitesimal in comparison. > >> > Before God came there was the chaos, who made it? There is no "before God",and nothing was "made" except by God. > Chaos is a fractal property, a very small part of the current M-theory in > physics, so science seems to have extended well beyond God. Black Magic goes > even farther and it's not the end of the road. The end is the absolute > nothingness. That is the highest of capital omega in transfinite > numbers/groups/sets/ differential games/... For memory, gravitation in > General Relativity is only the first of capital omega. God is the ultimate why, including for all of physics and all beyond physics, and nothingness is nothingness. > Yvan Bozzonetti. Rate This Message: http://www.cryonet.org/cgi-bin/rate.cgi?msg=16538