X-Message-Number: 16538
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 10:34:24 +0000 ()
From: Louis Epstein <>
Subject: Replies to CryoNet #16528 - #16535

On 14 Jun 2001, CryoNet wrote:

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> Message #16528 Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 15:03:05 -0400
> From: Jeffrey Soreff <>
> Subject: choice, bones, PFLAG
> 
> On Wed, 6 Jun 2001 Louis Epstein wrote:
> 
> >I haven't seen a modification proposed yet that wasn't disturbingly 
> >radical.I think I have mentioned some types that would be reasonable,
> >as strengthening bones,for example.
> 
> Well, that is something, at least...
> 
> On Sat, 9 Jun 2001 Louis Epstein wrote:
> 
> >The PF are for Parents and Friends;the group is dedicated to confusing
> >affection for those with the condition with the condition being in no way
> >deplorable.
> 
> Wince.  Not content with restricting what people's bodies will be,
> but also deploring how people use them, too?  Do you realize how
> ludicrous this looks? 

In principle,it's not ludicrous at all.
All societies have standards of conduct.
You just differ with mine.

> Which ice cream flavors do you deplore?

Anything with dough,bubble gum,or marshmallows,
for starters...as a rule anything too complex.

I point out the "deplore" does not necessarily
mean "legislate against"...one should be cautious
before declaring a fool to be a criminal.But
you needn't be shy about affirming that he is
a fool.

Past vanilla,chocolate,coffee,mint,strawberry,
and cherry,and chocolate-chip versions of each
of them,I don't think I'd be moved to seek
additional ice cream flavors.

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> Message #16529 From: 
> Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 18:17:37 EDT
> 
> My daughter will be a freshman at U of Arizona in Tucson this fall. Is the 
> Alcor facility still located in Tucson?  If so, is it near the university?  
> In my frequent 'roadtrips' to my future 'vacation spot', I would like to 
> visit it.  

It's in Scottsdale,isn't it?

And was it ever elsewhere in Arizona?
 
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> Message #16533 Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 21:37:28 -0700
> From: Mike Perry <>
> Subject: diversophobia
> 
> Mike Donahue (#16524) calls attention to the following from Louis Epstein:
> 
> > >The PF are for Parents and Friends; the group is dedicated to confusing
> > >affection for those with the condition with the condition being in no
> > >way deplorable.
> 
> Though not homosexual myself, I strongly disagree with those who consider 
> the condition in some intrinsic way deplorable. The future should offer 
> more options all around, and, I suspect, will show ever greater diversity 
> in what was formerly the (merely) human population. Those who have problems 
> now with people who are "different" may have more than ever in the future.

I have already noted what I
consider the disturbing school
of thought that worships diversity
as a good in itself rather than
accepting it as a condition that
has problems to overcome.(And noted
that diversity-worshippers have a
knee-jerk opposition to diversity
of opinion on the value of diversity).

It is regress,not progress,
for consensus on standards to
disintegrate.And I regret refusal
to face the functionally deficient
nature of sexuality directed toward
persons of one's own sex.

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> Message #16534 Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 01:47:05 -0400
> From: Deathist Lurker Girl <>
> Subject: Marketing cryonics
 
[Almost turning into a Deathist Poster
Girl now,isn't she?]

[Not meaning poster girl for Deathism
but who posts,etc...]
 
> However, a major stumbling block to me is the seeming lack of a warm, 
> welcoming community of cryonicists who seem genuinely interested in 
> "evangelizing" cryonics, *yet at the same time* are respectful of the 
> rights of others to decline their chance at immortality.  The overall 
> approach being something like, "You're fine just the way you are, and we 
> accept your right to make your own choices, but we have something we think 
> is very desirable, and we'd like to tell you more about it..."

When you're trying to get the attention
of someone floating along on a river
that is headed for a monstrous waterfall,
I don't think a soft sell is going to
do it.When people are acculturated to
something being inevitable,your offering
of something radically different has to
grab their attention.

A cultivated hostility to mortality is
what drives many immortalists,and an
attitude that this doesn't really matter
doesn't mesh very well.Again,this is a
case where most people here are closer
to the DLG than to me,but I have noted
my intense opposition to people deliberately
choosing death.Death is our ENEMY,
whatever Daniel Callahan may tell you...
Nicholas Albery,of course,is already
"happily" turning to compost.
 
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> Message #16535 From: 
> Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 04:37:13 EDT
> Subject: Re: GOD
> 
> << >...
>  >God is the highest order of infinity,the ultiverse/multiverse/universe is
>  >infinitesimal in comparison.
>   >>
> Before God came there was the chaos, who made it?

There is no "before God",and nothing
was "made" except by God.

> Chaos is a fractal property, a very small part of the current M-theory in 
> physics, so science seems to have extended well beyond God. Black Magic goes 
> even farther and it's not the end of the road. The end is the absolute 
> nothingness. That is the highest of capital omega in transfinite 
> numbers/groups/sets/ differential games/... For memory, gravitation in 
> General Relativity is only the first of capital omega.

God is the ultimate why,
including for all of physics
and all beyond physics,
and nothingness is nothingness.

> Yvan Bozzonetti.

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