X-Message-Number: 16598 Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 16:11:54 -0700 From: Jessica Lemler <> Subject: In response to Homosexuals, cryonics, and the "natural order." It is my understanding that the purpose of cryonics is to preserve as much of the existing brain structure as possible to bring that brain structure back to function in the future. In so doing, it is the hope that as much of a person s present thoughts and memories will be protected in order that the individual may emerge from suspension with as much of the same brain capacity he or she went into suspension with. So correct me if I am wrong, then, when I say that individual sexuality encompasses to a large degree who he or she isit defines the way that person interacts with society and with him or herself. Therefore, I must agree with Mr. Darwin when he states that the fixing of homosexuality in the future, as though it is some type of disease or problem, is ludicrous. Many homosexuals (as well as heterosexuals and bixexuals) are quite content and comfortable within their sexuality, and have found for themselves roles in society which suit them quite nicely. As so nicely pointed out by Mr. Darwin, nature has a way of dealing many of us a bad hand. Cryonics is not necessarily about throwing all the cards back to the dealer and re-drawing. I do have several problems, though, with Mr. Darwin s posting, and several issues I would like to call attention to. In too many areas of his post, he alludes to statistics and numbers, yet he never cites the sources which have allegedly provided him with these figures. As a heterosexual female, I found myself personally offended by his statement: Heterosexuals make lots of babies. If you are heterosexual you will know that babies and the wives that go with them consume almost all available resources. Yes, I do agree that heterosexuals make babies (obviously homosexuals do not make babies). I would like to know from what source, other than simply statistics tell us, Mr. Darwin has pulled this statement. And to what resources are we referring? If we are talking about food, most men I know eat far more than their wives. If we re talking about paper or web space, this single female intends to use considerably less space in this post than Mr. Darwin did in his. I also wonder where his statistics on women in the military came from. He crassly states his opinion, which is: neither do I support a coed military with men and women on aircraft carriers and in trenches. This isn t working from the numbers (pregnancies, rapes, sexual harassment) I can see. All very well and good to have an opinion, and of course I am entitled to disagree, but here again, I am left to wonder where these numbers are coming from? Here s another good one that gave me a laugh. FactWomen want money and stability (statistically) over looks and a quick roll in the hay. And why not, THEY get stuck with the kids and childbirth and childrearing are not easy for single women even today. Once again, Mr. Darwin, please show me the source(s) of statistics. I found much of the post to be loaded with propaganda for the gay man and what the gay man has done for cryonicswhich is all well and good, mind you, long as these accomplishments are accurate. I do not consider myself any sort of womens rights activist by any means, and those of you who know me realize this to be true, yet I did find parts of Mr. Darwin s article rather bothersome. I think if you read it closely, you will find that he has made statements of FACT that lack statistical back-up with legitimate sources. Mr. Darwin, I challenge you to present these sources which you have called upon to make such bold statements. That is all, as this FEMALE does not wish to further exhaust the natural resources of Cryonet. ~Jessica Lemler, Alcor Web Master Rate This Message: http://www.cryonet.org/cgi-bin/rate.cgi?msg=16598